I seem to have stepped on the toes of at least some of the homosexual community here, and probably some of the straight posters as well.
The main issue seems to revolve around two “exchanges” I have had with Hastur. Both exchanges quickly reached a level of animosity that stifled further debate in thoses threads. On both occasions I considered the reason of the problem to be personality clashes between myself and Hastur, and never considered that the sexual orientation of either of us was the actual cause.
I have never considered my participation on the SD to be so much about me teaching others, but rather as a place for me to learn new things, and expand my understanding of old things. So to see myself get labeled as a homophobe makes me stop and wonder.
I’ve seen posters I thought were racist, sexist or biased against some group or another, and most of them seem to share in the delusion that they are right and the rest of the board is wrong. So, I find myself wondering if I have somehow slipped into this group.
The idea seems pretty ridiculous to me, but evidently it needs to be considered.
So here is the deal.
Treat me anyway you wish, (like I need to extend that option) but keep in mind that I am open minded about this thread. I can’t promise you I will agree with your judgement, but I can promise you that if there is a real discussion here and a majority of the people think I’m homophobic, I will be thinking about that alot IRL.
I will throw out the way I see my little tiff with Hastur. I welcome any questions and comments about it.
I will throw out my views on homosexuality.
I welcome any questions and comments about it.
I will not be trying to please anyone with my answers, I will just be giving you the straight truth on what I think about things, and I would like a straight answer in return.
Do you think I am a homophobic bigot?
The Hastur Incident
It started over here:
(towards the end of the first page and onto the second)
We were argueing two-way tolerance (at least I was). For the most part I was trying to define what a straight person had to believe to be considered “tolerant.” There were two positions offered on that thread that I tried to use as examples, but could never seem to get Hastur to comment on them.
Then the brawl continued over here:
Now I admit that I came into the thread swinging, but not because homosexuality was the topic. Remembering our last exchange, I came in with Hastur in my sights.
Not in my book.
So here is where things got very dicey. Hastur decided to go ahead and post this:
Which struck me as fairly intolerant and ignorant, so I parodied it and responded with:
Inflammatory? Sure. Homophobic? I didn’t think so.
I wasn’t calling Hastur a limp wristed faggot because I think he is a limp wristed faggot, but becuase I was trying to approximate his comment to me and return it.
lily white hand = limp wristed faggot
I even followed the comment up with an explanation of why I posted it.
This is a technique I have used in the past, and one that is being used right now in the ban black people thread.
Since this, Hastur has been claiming all sorts of things.
Personally, I don’t remember being in all that many threads about gays, and I am sure I never “was on the con side.” Most of the prior involvement I can think of seems to be lighthearted participation.
The feeling I get from Hastur is that I did not match up to “HIS” view of what is acceptable, so therefore I must be evil, labelled and attacked. My natural reaction is to attack right back.
Now about my general views. I’m going try to keep this short and specific because I know this OP is getting long.
[li]I do not support any harrassment or violence against gays.[/li][li]I do not support any discriminatory legal restrictions against gays.[/li][li]I support the right of gays to get married.[/li][li]I do not support hate crimes legislation.[/li][li]I do not support set aside programs for anybody.[/li][li]I do think homosexuality is a sin - I also consider pre-marital sex a sin, and I am living with a woman. I don’t consider homosexuality any less or more of a sin that pre-marital sex, and I do not think it is a basis to “hate” or condem a person.[/li][li]IRL I would never come out and tell a homosexual that I think they are living a “sinful” life unless we were talking about the subject and I was asked, but then I think we all fall short somewhere.[/li]That about sums it up for me. Fire away with your questions and comments.