Hate. Love. Despair. Choices.

Stoid, you spent the last four years whining about how evil Bush was and assuring your readers that there was no chance in the world that he could be re-elected. You had absolutely zero empathy for the possibility that other people might see things differently in good faith, and not simply be evil drones.

It is thus not at all surprising to me that you are stunned today. If you don’t make some sort of effort to understand that not everyone in the world agrees with the liberal mindset, and those that don’t should still be considered as acting in good faith, then I can tell you that you’ve got some more heartbreak coming up at the mid-terms in 2006.

  • Rick

Word.

No, not at all, and frankly, I don’t understand why so many treat it as you do.

What exactly would it take for YOU to curl up in a fetal position, wail, and gnash your teeth? Only a loss directly personal to your own life, the death of a loved one, perhaps? Or perhaps you save it for spectacular tragedys like 9/11.

Well, if that’s so, then yes, there is a big difference between people like you and people like me. Bush’s policies have already directly resulted in the deaths of 30 times as many people as 9/11. But I guess because (most of) those human beings weren’t born in the United States their deaths are no big whoop, why get all bent out of shape about it? So what if all three branches of our government, and most of our mass media are controlled by corrupt liars willing to watch people die to further their agenda? what’s the big deal?

That anyone can see it through such a tra-la-la prism floors me.

And the above is just the most dramatic example of what’s worth curling up in a fetal position and wailing about. Just the very tip of the iceberg. I stand amazed that the “Loyalty Oath” ALONE didn’t send most Americans screaming for the nearest Democrat. There is nothing about this administration that isn’t completely corrupt and terrifying.

Everything that makes this country great is being systematically dismantled, by people who lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get what they want. The damage they have done and will do will reverberate for decades to come, on generations after us, if they don’t directly bring about our destruction in the next four years (Hey Kim! Bring it on!).

My god, if that isn’t worth curling up in a fetal position and wailing, what the hell IS?

I know that there is a lot of denial going on, I do. There are lots of people who simply won’t allow themselves to believe the evidence in front of them, because it’s just too terrible to contemplate. this is AMERICA, right? This is 2004! It just couldn’t ever be THAT bad, right? RIGHT?

And they are counting on us taking that view.

See?

So Badger…when do you manage to feel unspeakable grief? 16,0000 innocent people dead is evidently insufficient, since you find mine over the top, so what would it take?
Denial.

Not to mention the fact that most people jsut aren’t comfortable letting themselves “go there” emotionally, and I am. Which has more than a little to do with it. Sometimes, rarely, I envy that ability.

Jeeze, Poly! You’re Mr Positive today. If it makes you feel any better “they” shot George Lincoln Rockwell, too. :rolleyes:

(it was just a matter of time but annoyance has finally replaced tolerance in Mr zone’s head)

Look, you bunch of pansy-assed whiners, the election is over and it’s time to move on to the next one. Maybe next time we can nominate a candidate who INSPIRES people. Instead we had to make do with a candidate who may have had some good ideas, though he rarely said anything about them, but who was so drab he couldn’t beat the worst president since HARDING!

Shrug it off, tape it up, and play through the pain. Next time we’ll do better, but only if we work for it, and complaining on a message board where you are preaching to either the converted or the unconvertable does not count.

Ack! Not triple-reverse irony! Gee, you’re right! Huh. So let me get this straight…you think STOID is the hateful intolerant one.

Whoa.

We’re through the looking glass here people.

I was commenting on YOUR post, not Stoid’s.

I’ve had family members die. I had a little cry, thought about it for a day or two and moved on. I can’t remember if I cried on 9/11. Maybe once or twice.

Cite please.

I’m really sorry you’re so down. I hope you feel better in the next couple of days and weeks. Maybe a break from the internets and TV for a few days, at least? Maybe we all should.

Physician, heal thyself.

Sorry, bud.

I’m venting.

I’ve got a fairly strong commitment to try to do what I can to make the world a better place.

And not a whole lot in the line of resources to do it with.

So I cut my chances, and have what effect I can:
[ul][li]I’m a very small voice in a single parish church that pretty much agrees with what I think, in a diocese and denomination that are in general agreement with my views.[/li][li]I try to be a voice for decency and Christian humanism on five different message boards, to the extent that I can say anything worthwhile.[/li][li]I’m a loyal friend and principal counselor to a millionaire of libertarian views, who so far has had very minor positive impact on the world as a whole, but who’s putting some effort into it – partly as a result of our discussions.[/li][li]I’m there at need for two young adult couples and their children, trying to help them deal with the world as it is.[/li][li]And I try to be such help as I can to our landlady and her family.[/ul][/li]
In general, the world doesn’t piss me off. But every so often, somebody does something egregiously stupid, and it does irritate me. This past few days have seen a plethora of the latter on my plate, and I’m not my normal self.

Maybe I should stop posting how I feel, to leave more room for the folks who find sharing the road with SUVs and people daring to enjoy music that they don’t room to vent?

Stoid, look, I think President Bush is a pretty sucky president, but we’ve survived sucky presidents before, and we will this time. The election is a “battle lost”, but there are going to be other battles, and there’s no use going to pieces about it…there’s really no point.

Sometimes in politics your side wins, and sometimes the other side wins. If you’re not able to deal with that fact, then you probably shouldn’t get involved in politics.

And you think I’m sick of hearing DEMOCRATS complain? :eek: But to listen to people here you’d think every president before Dubya was Jefferson or Lincoln. No, I need better examples or the “Jefferson fucked his slaves!” and “Lincoln was evil and the Civil War was about states rights!” people will show up. (paging through history) No, looks like Captain Amazing is right and they’ve ALL sucked to one extent or another. Looks like we’ve got another, but we, at least, know how sucky he is. We, as a nation, will muddle through and patch up the holes in the plaster and the burn marks in the carpet when he moves out like we always do. Yeah, too bad about the dead people, ruined lives, and trampled rights but we did what we could with the hand we were dealt.

The color of the threat level is…

Since you didn’t read what I posted, I’ve bolded it for you. 16,000 deaths is horrible, as I said, and I think those deaths are only cheapened by bandying about bullshit figures with no rational basis in fact. What this has to do with my emotional capabilities is beyond me. You probably won’t believe me when I say that I am very far from the emotionally repressed type, but just ask my housemates. I cried at 9/11 (when I finally believed it had happened), I cried when my girlfriend left me a fortnight ago, I cry because my grandmother is dying - hell, I cry at the movies sometimes. If you feel so strongly about last night’s election, fine; but remember that 16,000 people did not die last night, and 16,000 people would not have been saved had Kerry won. No need to accuse those who aren’t balled in grief like you of being emotional cripples. The brat will still be fingerpainting tomorrow, and the sun will still rise.

Let’s see… election night’s over, the gays and minorities have been repressed. Back in the closet you guys. Women have been relegated to the back burner where they belong. Now that we have the White house and firm majorities in both houses we can fund further conquests by taxing the poor unchecked, while freeing up my corporate dividends from taxes on a permanent basis. We can continue to make fun of the French… Oh, and if you were planning on getting an abortion anytime soon, better do it now.

Now we can kill muslims with impunity and forcefeed are judeo-christian ethics upon the masses unchecked because hey! Guess what? We’re gonna get to load up the Supreme Court for the next Twenty Years!

We can drill in National Parks, and stop with this pesky recycling bullshit. I say we just be open about it. Fuck the Environment! The purpose of the environment is to be our garbage can anyway.

It’s time for wealth and big business. Good times, man. Good times. Think of the 80s except bigger, more extravagant, and less responsible. We’re gonna bring back hair bands and Christian Rock. No longer will I have to be ashamed of my Winger CDs.

Political correctness will go out the window. Let’s face it. Deep down, we all really hate everybody else in direct proportion to their variance with ourselves. You liberals were right about one thing. We conservative Republican types sure are prejudiced. You got us there. Unfortunately we don’t envy nor seek to emulate the self- loathing you employ so that you can hate everybody equally. It’s hard to hate yourself when you’re smoking ten dollar cigars and deciding between the Z4 and the SLK 350 so you can cruise through the poor working neighborhoods and recieve validation and fulfillment.

One of the great pleasures of course is to see our enemies, the liberal, wail, and gnash their teeth, and rend their clothing. They just don’t understand, they just don’t get it, and their collisions with reality come more and more frequently, and they have to make up greater and greater paranoid delusions to maintain the illusion that they are still relevant.

You ain’t.

You want anything, you want to get anything done, you gotta come through me. I’m the fucking boss.

We are generation N, the Neocon. We are the Demonspawn of the unholy union between Limbaugh and Coulter, suckling the fetid milk from the gangrenous tit of the repressed poor. Your heroes, Franken and Moore have been drawn by the engines of big industry and quartered by the blade of restrictive morality.

We use their bowels as bowties.

You have no one, nothing to save you. No heros left. You are defeated and doomed. Our empire shall last a thousand years. Shit. If we want to we’ll just get a consitutional ammendmant an keep George for a few more terms. You know, just for the chuckle factor.

There’s still a lot of poor though so we’ll need another war to send the your men off to so that they don’t get into trouble around here.

Can you say draft?

Have you practiced your loyalty oaths? You’ll be needing them if you want to qualify for welfare. We can’t be feeding traitors, you know.

But seriously, your whiny despair is as usual selfish and vacuous. Always thinking about yourself, you are. Your feelings. You never worry about our feelings. You think this is hard on you? What about us?

They say Alexander wept because there were no more worlds to conquer. How do you think we feel? We’ve won. It’s all just process from here. BOORRRRIIINGG. No more challenges.

How do you think that feels?
Yada yada yada, the reinforcing of the stereotypes, the sniveling of the liberals, the gloating of the conservatives. The childishness of it all.

To paraphrase The Bard,

If I am to be a villain, then let me be the best villain I can be.
Let the HEALING BEGIN!

Um…what?

I honestly have no fucking idea what point you were trying to make with this little interlude, Scylla. Care to elaborate?

Leesha:

To give meaning and validity to the sentiments of the OP requires a villain. My post is from the viewpoint of the villain described in the OP and by Diogenes and such in other threads.

If anything, I’ve underplayed the role.

Brilliantly so.

Okay, I think I understand.

But as far as I’m concerned, sll that’s needed to give “validity and meaning” to the OP is knowing that a close, high-stakes game has just come to an end, and Stoid was rooting for the side that lost. Emotions have been running high for everyone lately, and they just came crashing down. Certain people are going to express their emotional reactions in ways you may not approve of. It happens.

It’s been less than 24 hours since the last polls closed. If you want rationality and a clear-headed perspective, you’re looking in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Scylla -

I no longer love that wanton trull Brutus. It is you that haunts my fevered imagination, you that robs my maiden bed of its dreams, you whose name I sigh in whispers of silken lust.

I want to be yours.

Regards,
Shodan