Goddamn it it sure is hard to make a point sometimes. I understand hedonistic, random behavior perfectly well. But these women choose who they engage in this behavior with, whether they are random strangers or not, based on their (admittedly wide-ranging) attractions. Prostitutes, on the other hand, don’t choose who they have sex acts with (for the most part). And attraction has nothing to do with it. They have sex with anyone with enough money to fuck them. Desperation has everything to do with it. The only exclusions are high end escorts but those are a minority. But even these women will basically fuck anyone with enough money to fuck them, they just put the price high enough to weed out most unwanted clientele…
ETA: And there may be a very tiny minority of prostitutes who do what they do simply because they are sex addicts (or “love sex so much”) but again, that’s not really significant.
What about fit, nice smelling 51 year old successful men?
Doubtful but I imagine there are young women out there who, in the right frame of mind, would be attracted to a man like that. That changes nothing of my argument.
…we’ve already established that your “argument” is based on a very minute, tiny, extremely small biased sample size and not based on any statistics or evidence. And as, from what I can gather, your argument is not based on the experience of having “been a young woman” I don’t see how you could possibly speak from their view point.
And you’ve really taken this topic far enough of topic, don’t you agree? I thought you were bowing out.
I’m confused as to what your position is. And it’s not a “extremely tiny, small biased sample”. I, unfortunately, am very familiar with all the various forms of prostitution in my state. It’s not limited to the prostitutes I’ve personally been with.
But I honestly have no interest in further discussing this anyway. Statistics do not tell entire stories by any means. But I know anecdotes don’t either. But I am not simply speaking of anecdotes, I am speaking of information I’ve gleaned from my experiences. Consider my input useless, I’m fine with that. And I really will bow out.
And tell me, just for clarity’s sake, what exactly would be evidence I could provide to back up my assertions?
…my position is that you should stop claiming things as fact when they are simply your opinion.
“Familiar” is a subjective word. How exactly familiar are you?
And you weren’t talking about just sex workers. You were speaking on behalf of all young women. I very much doubt you are that familiar with how a young women thinks and acts.
Suuuuure your not. I’m sure you’ll bow out of this conversation any time now.
The thread starter asked for anecdotes from people who have known sex workers. It makes sense to talk about the sex workers you have known, it doesn’t make sense for you to make blanket statements about what things young women like to put in their mouths and whether or not they like doing it.
Are you seriously asking this question?
Well lets look at one of your claims:
" No women in her early 20s will willingly let various, strange 50 and 60 year old men ejaculate into her mouth without there being an element of desperation at play."
Firstly, you weren’t talking about sex work: you were talking abut all young women. I’m assuming you aren’t a young woman and aren’t speaking from experience. So how do you know this? How many young women have you spoken to in order to gain this insight?
There are millions of young women in the world with all sorts of different cultures and beliefs and all of them have different opinions on what is sexually attractive, and it should be painfully obvious that no matter how extensive your alleged familiarity with young women may be, there is no way you can be that familiar.
But you speak in absolutes. Which means that in order to refute your claim all we need to do is find a single women in her 20’s somewhere in the world who will willingly let various strange 50 and 60 year old men ejaculate in her mouth without an element of desperation at play. Heck, anecdotally I know someone who would do that right now: which renders your claim a fail. Is there a way you could back up your assertions? Considering I know someone who would willingly do something you claim she wouldn’t willingly do, the only way to back up your claim would be to prove that she was a liar.
Well there’s one hell of an excluded middle.
Ok, you’re right, I erred in speaking in absolutes.
Plenty of women having sex for free do so for reasons ranging from sex addiction to low self-esteem or the desire for favors or support. The only difference between a prostitute and any ordinary woman who willingly has sex with someone outside a legal marriage is the prostitute requires being paid. In many cases, it is not a “desperate” thing and if she (or he) chooses that profession they have at least as much right to respect for doing their job as anyone taking it freely in every orifice at Plato’s Retreat.
For some women he could be fat, stinky, and ugly, 51+, but if he is successful, particularly if he is rich, and he will not have a problem finding sexy, twenty year olds of either gender that will gladly have one-night stand, relationship, or marriage with him.
I was very good friends with Marin County’s most successful madam back in the late 1980s and early '90s. She ran a business at the top of the scale with the most desirable women and catered to a lot of the Bay Area’s celebrities. I went to her parties and got to know a lot of her women. She actually put me to work on one occasion when a woman wanted a 20-year-old guy. She is really a positive woman and pointed me in the right direction when I was just a mixed-up 21-year-old boy. I owe her a lot for teaching me how to grow spiritually and emotionally. We recently reconnected.
I also formed a close friendship with one of her girls. I was 20 or 21 at the time and she was mid-30s. We became good friends and hung out a lot. I feel very proud that we became fwb and I was the only one she had sex with for free (not trying to brag). As I was much younger, she taught me how to pleasure a woman. I would often drive her to her client’s locations, wait in my car for an hour or so, then drive her home.
One of her celebrity clients was George Lucas. I once asked her what he was like in bed and she gave me a three word response. This is exactly what she said, “small and fast.”