Well, that’s why I was asking if there were a better video. All I saw was her doing that swipy girlie smacking thing at his upper arms, which to me didn’t look violent or aggressive. Childish and uncalled for, but it didn’t look as if there was any strength or hitting power behind it at all. But again, it’s a very short video with a bad angle.
There’s a longer videowhich show a skirmish being broken up before the charge and punch.
There’s also a different camera angle or slo mo which doesn’t show much more.
Yes, and you can also see in that video that she had plenty of time to decide to not be an asshole and attack somebody twice her size. She was clearly playing the "I’m a woman-you can’t hit me " card.
He was clearly playing the “I have a right to punch ANYBODY who is attacking me” card.
Checking the rules of game (which there are none in a pickup fight) I believe that his card wins the hand.
What intrigues me is that there were four people being assholes yet the media attention is directed at only one.
First, what is it about that video that makes you think he hit her especially hard? Speaking as a dedicated non-athlete and a guy who hasn’t thrown a punch in anger since the fifth grade, it looks like a pretty ineffectual blow to me.
Second, if I’m being physically assaulted, I don’t think I’m obligated to grade my response by how effective the assault is. Once someone has demonstrated their intent to attack me, I’m going to do whatever I can (which, given my above confession, is probably not much) to stop the assault and/or escape as soon as possible. I’m certainly not going to try to grab my attacker, because the last thing I want is to have that person closer to me. If I feel that the only way to defend myself is to hit back, I’m going to hit them as hard as I can. I’m not going to hit them just a little bit, then see how they respond.
How can anyone look at that video and not say it was clearly her fault?
She hit him. How can that be not “violent or aggressive”?
This is pure sexism, and misogyny at its finest. You’re assuming that she was weak and ineffectual because she was female.
A woman can hurt and injure a man. Ask any of the men who have been attacked and hurt by women, only to have been laughed at and ignored when they sought protection or tried to file charges or what have you.
I always thought of you as a strong woman, CanvasShoes. I really expected better.
Exactly. And that she is a “girl” and hits in a “girlie” way and therefore is, it seems, not violent and aggressive.
She’s a grown ass woman who decided to hit someone bigger than she is and got hit back. She is not a “girl,” not a child, not (I assume) mentally disabled in some way. She’s an adult woman, just as adult as the man, just as responsible for her actions, just as violent and aggressive as a man who hit another man.
There are no special damned rules.
Because; vagina.
Here’s the real proof of the sexism. No one is pointing out the guy in the blue shirt that sucker punches Jetsboy in the face right after the incident.
Aha!!! Yes, I see now. Thanks for these. Yes, this better shows what led up to it and makes much more sense. I still don’t think “smacking at arms” deserves knockout level fist to the face (and I would think that EVEN if it were a smaller guy attacking the big guy and not a girl), but yes, I see that she was the one who kept going after him, and he was backing up.
Some of the people even held HER back for a few minutes before she flew at him again. It was definitely fair to charge her also.
Sorry, to me her attack did look weak and ineffectual. Even after viewing the other two videos, I still feel that his response doesn’t match her attack. But then, you’re right, I wasn’t there, maybe she scratched or did something none of us could see, that was more damaging than what it looks like.
Re “girlie,” even if it were a man smacking at the upper arms in a swipy girlie way, I wouldn’t think a hard punch to the face is “the punishment fitting the crime”. Just to clarify, it was the smackING not the smackER that I was defining as “girlie”.
I don’t understand why you think the response has to “match” the attack. The point of defending yourself is stopping the attack, a knock out punch seems like a perfect solution. Giving back exactly what you got is in no way the goal.
I don’t ever think the Jets fan should be charged with anything. He was beset by a group of people, he hit one of them in the nose and then backed up.
Where is the girl in the video? Why are you calling her a girl?
The blond-haired girl who is the subject of the OP. I’m calling her a girl because she is a girl? She’s not a man or a boy, despite her decidedly unladylike behaviour.
Bad choice of words, they don’t have to “match” the attack, I don’t mean he had to go all slappy slappy at her upper arms in turn. My point was that it was unnecessary force to stop her, based on what the videos showed, he didn’t need to go to that extent.
She is a woman. She is not a minor. She is an adult. The term used for an adult female is woman. Girl is for a non-adult or child.
So, there are men, boys, and girls? Where are the women in this world? Are all female persons children?
Ah gotcha, well then, that is a completely separate issue from what she did or didn’t do in the subject OP. I’m not calling her a girl because I think she’s in any way not guilty or in trying to make her look more cutesy or helpless or something. I HATE the word “woman” and try to avoid it if I can. Female is even worse than woman, and since this particular person has obviously proven herself to not be a lady, girl is what I went to. It is a perfectly acceptable word for persons who happen to be female. As in “having coffee with the girls,” “girl’s night out” etc.