Education would be better if parents took a more active role instead of expecting different layers of government to provide the education. Also, a private system will more efficient. We waste too much our inefficient public system.
I went to public schools through high school and a private college. I do not know if my parents could have paid for private school. I paid for my college.
Nobody is saying the system is efficient. Nobody is saying change isn’t possible or desirable. But you’re the only little fucknugget stubbornly claiming that because the system has a few problems, it should just be removed entirely.
Also - different layers? Isn’t it just the Department of Education?
ETA: I’m guessing from your above 'I don’t know if my parents could pay", that they couldn’t. So, the hypocrisy goes deeper than previously thought.
Federal, state, and local.
How am I hypocrite for where I was sent to school as a child?
Sometimes that “rainy day” can end up costing a hell of lot more than you ever could have imagined, even if you have a good job and can afford insurance.
Ever heard the term catastrophic?
Shit, in your totally perfect universe, everyone would get a leg up, get a full-time job in their chosen profession, make piles of money, have insurance coming out the ass, and never ever get sick or injured.
Can I move to your planet? 'Cuz it sure sounds like a pretty damn fine place to be.
Um, because you got to enjoy the perks of a lovely free education which your parents didn’t go broke providing for you, and now you think nobody else should get the same thing? Is that too hard to grasp?
But, alas! far too late.
Because you want to deny others the option you had. Hmmmm, maybe you’re right about the state of public education…
elucidator! You’re threatening his life!
stoopid double post. See below
Y’know - I think plenty of people here can or have joined Mensa at some point. It really doesn’t distinguish that much here.
It is fun to see them get to play poke the troll.
My thoughts on your line of defense:
I admire your consistency. (Other than selling out - no, it’s not like paying taxes, it would be like signing up to be a soldier in a war I don’t support.)
You are being overly stuck on ideology.
Ideology seldom works, in fact taking your line of thinking to it’s logical end would actually HARM all but about 1% of Americans, by my estimation.
You are being an unreasoning prick. Intelligence and adherence to “logic” does not make a person a non-prick, or even right. Very often the people enamored with numbers next to their intellect are more likely to delude themselves or not listen to information they need.
I am not stuck on ideology. I am saying we should try to fix some of the problems of the health care system. My solutions are informed by my ideology; however, if my solutions did not work I would be willing to try something else.
I am not enamored with my IQ. I was just responding to some baseless name calling. Speaking of which, the members of this board sure do seem to like name calling and personal attacks including penis jokes.
Generally they have a good reason for feeling provoked.
And your handle is well… it’s an easy place to go. You had to know that when you made it. It’s easy to chide those who use it as uncreative. I’d submit that the lack of creativity started earlier.
And a hard line free market education and medical system wouldn’t work. Read up on US history. We almost kinda had that. Odd thing was only a few ended up the the goods and the good stuff.
You’re not proposing fixes, you’re basically saying do away with any public health services at all. You know that Americans spend more per capita on health care than other country’s do, right? The cost of health care for the average American is three times the cost for the average Canadian (Cite, because I know you’ll demand one, http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/health_costs.html)
The reason for this is largely the high cost of administration in a privatized system, meaning that if the system went all public, you would actually save money. But instead you selfishly insist that only those with the money should get care, just because you would rather see poor people suffer.
I’m pretty sure that insisting on an all private school system would result in similar increases in the cost of education, placing education beyond the reach of many. But, you would rather see kids remain poor, uneducated, and sick than part with any of your precious money. Wait until you have kids, then you’ll be demanding that they get all the best the government offers. Or maybe you’ll just up and move to Canada.
Also:
They are not baseless. They are the opposite of baseless.
It’s basically a mobius strip-kids who can’t afford it don’t get education, end up homeless, etc. But then we have to spend to institutionalize them.
And you know, Two and a Half Inches of Stupidity, my grandmother is on both Medicare and Social Security. So if you want to talk about threatening lives…
I read the thread title in a bit of an afternoon fog and thought ‘Quincy would never lie to us about healthcare.’ Paul Krugman. Not Jack Klugman.
I’m reasonably sure that all citizens have equal access to post-mortem care. In fact, lower-income Americans probably get a disproportionate share of post-mortem funding.
No shit, Sherlock. And with a wire cloth hanger even cheaper I might add.
In all my years here I’ve seen a lot of trolls come and go, but I have a hard time remembering a bigger scumbag than you.
Anyone?
Y’know, most of the time when I see people advocate completely privatized health care, they at least insist that everyone who really really needs it will be taken care of (through charities and private donations and such) - even better, they say, since more people with money will be able to afford donating and such.
But this is the first time I’ve ever seen anyone advocate just leaving them in the streets to die. Even if they really think so, most folks have enough sense not to say it, realizing that it’s counterproductive to getting their beliefs put into practice.
I have a question for Two and a Half Inches of Fun. Several years ago, I was laid off from a good-paying IT job and was out of work for seven months. I had saved for a rainy day and I was on unemployment until I found a new job, albeit a job at a substantially low salary. For most of the time I was unemployed, I didn’t have health insurance because I felt it was too expensive given my usualy good health. If I had had a catastrophic illness or injury during that time, should I have been permitted to do so? Your posts in this thread suggest you think I would have deserved to die. For the purposes of this thread, I’ll ask the moderators to grant an exemption to the “not wishing death on posters” rule.
By the way, you’ve implied that people who don’t have health insurance are somehow lazy or less than hard working. For the record, IT is a second career for me. When I decided to go into IT, I went back to school and earned a degree in Computer Science while continuing to work full time.
Let me give you another person who was without health insurance for a significant period of time. A friend of mine is an archaeologist. For a while, she was a contract worker, which meant she was expected to provide her own health insurance. At the time (the mid 1990’s) the cheapest insurance she could find was $100 a month with a $1,000 deductible. Based on her income and health at the time, she didn’t think she could afford over $2,000 a year for health insurance. If she’d suffered a catastrophic illness, would she have deserved to die?
Congratulations. I’ve been a member of Mensa and active in it for several years now. I can tell you from my personal experience with both individuals and from letters in Mensa’s newsletters that membership in Mensa means nothing in terms of a person’s conservatisim, liberalism, rationality of views, compassion, or amount of common sense. Indeed, all it tells me is that once in his life, that person managed to score in the top 2% on an IQ test. I know a Mensan who was a Young Earth Creationist, and I know one who may still be one (I’m afraid to ask). I’ve met Mensans who are bigots, and many who are fools. Some are among the finest people I know; others are people I want nothing to do with. By the way, there’s a letter about national health care in this month’s national newsletter. The writer supports it.