Well, at least the Neo-Nazis left 42 alone. For now. 
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to go watch the Evil Hebrew play some GTA4 downstairs. He’s been trying to wean himself off the real raping and pillaging of innocent cultures in the name of G-d ever since he hooked up with me (I just don’t agree with that sort of behaviour in a committed relationship, after all), but he finds that video game simulations really helps to ease the withdrawal symptoms.
Reminder him that it’s pillage first, then burn. Otherwise it doesn’t go as well.
Ah, well. Shver zu zein a Yid.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
Becky01, personal insults are NOT allowed in Great Debates, period. Do not do that again. Your last post also carried an especially strong tinge of anti-Semitism - which was noticeable elsewhere, I might add, including your thread title and the post before this one. If you actually do want to post here after all, you’ll cut that shit out instantly.
Meanwhile, this thread is going around in circles, and not particularly good circles. Maybe it’ll do better in the Pit.[/QUOTE
I meant it to carry anti-zionism and you can do whatever you choose. I requested my thread be removed this afternoon as I want no part of a one-sided horse and pony show. I don’t care for your shit either!
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[QUOTE=Marley23]
Becky01, personal insults are NOT allowed in Great Debates, period. Do not do that again. Your last post also carried an especially strong tinge of anti-Semitism - which was noticeable elsewhere, I might add, including your thread title and the post before this one. If you actually do want to post here after all, you’ll cut that shit out instantly.
Meanwhile, this thread is going around in circles, and not particularly good circles. Maybe it’ll do better in the Pit.
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I meant it to carry anti-zionism and you can do whatever you choose. I requested my thread be removed this afternoon as I want no part of a one-sided horse and pony show. I don’t care for your shit either!
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Aw, you’re so cute when you’re frothing! Such a pity that you left. Already. Several of your own posts back.
[QUOTE=Becky01]
I meant it to carry anti-zionism
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“Go eat a bagel?” means you oppose Zionism? I had no idea. Assuming you’re telling the truth, you’ve failed to make it clear. Would you like to start again and actually explain yourself? Your comments about the original column appeared to have nothing at all to do with Zionism, which I assume you’re defining as support for the state of Israel.
Generally we don’t do that here, and definitely not on request. Threads aren’t removed unless they’re spamming or trolling, basically. You can ask that this thread be locked if you like, and we’ll consider it.
I’m seeing two sides here, you’re just not gaining any support. Perhaps that’s because you keep saying one thing and then insisting you meant something else. Similarly it wouldn’t be a horse and pony show if - assuming you are really making a point here - you would make your point clearly, stand behind it and listen to people.
[QUOTE=Becky01]
[QUOTE=Marley23]
Becky01, personal insults are NOT allowed in Great Debates, period. Do not do that again. Your last post also carried an especially strong tinge of anti-Semitism - which was noticeable elsewhere, I might add, including your thread title and the post before this one. If you actually do want to post here after all, you’ll cut that shit out instantly.
Meanwhile, this thread is going around in circles, and not particularly good circles. Maybe it’ll do better in the Pit.
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I meant it to carry anti-zionism and you can do whatever you choose. I requested my thread be removed this afternoon as I want no part of a one-sided horse and pony show. I don’t care for your shit either![/QUOTE]
Oh Jesus Christ (no pun).
I see your
and raise you
So what’s your story?
[QUOTE=susan]
So what’s your story?
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I’m guessing it involves billy goats.
[QUOTE=Becky01]
I meant it to carry anti-zionism and you can do whatever you choose. I requested my thread be removed this afternoon as I want no part of a one-sided horse and pony show. I don’t care for your shit either!
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Anybody seen my lawn chair? I made tea.
[QUOTE=Scuba_Ben]
Regarding “eye for an eye”: I was preparing a reading of Lev. 24 two years ago, which includes a repetition of lex talionis. The rule there is stated (pulls out book): Shever tahat shever, ayin tahat ayin, shen tahat shen. Shever: tooth; `ayin: eye; shen: limb(?). The word in the middle, tahat, caught my attention, for it is the same word used in the Binding of Isaac – Abraham offered the ram tahat his son. I translate this word as “in place of,” so the rule clearly (to me) requires compensation for the bodily injury appropriate to the injury suffered (since Bronze Age medical technology was not up to the task of removing the attacker’s eye and implanting it in the victim’s head).
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Minor correction -
“Shever” - “Break”, as in broken bone.
“Shen” - Tooth.
“Tahat” - “Under”, but in this case it does mean “instead of.” Also, colloquially, “backside” or “ass”.
Your analysis is interesting, BTW. I’ve never heard it before, but it makes sense.
As for the OP - I was kind of expecting something like this today or tomorrow, but if this is the best we’re going to get, I’m not going to lose much sleep over it.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
According to many other Dopers, neo-Nazis and racists have adopted 88 - such a cool number, WHY??? - because H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. 88 - HH - shorthand for Heil Hitler. It’s not much in the way of evidence and Becky01’s posts speak for themselves, but I can see why it makes some people suspicious.
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Weird. I always thought it was from these. But then I guess that makes only marginally more sense and is probably even more opaque to non-geeks.
[QUOTE=Becky01]
I meant it to carry anti-zionism
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Heh.
Becky, do you have any Jew in you?
Do you want any?
100% certified Kosher sausage and 2 matzo balls, right here. Once you’re had by a Jewish man, you’ll never be satisfied by any other kind of lover again.
PM me.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
She referred to FinnAgain as a “complete imbecile” in that post, which is clearly over the line.
I think I’m on safe ground in saying that bigotry is considered jerkish here. And I’m not using a restrictive definition of anti-Semitism here; for our purposes I don’t think it’s even anti-Semitic to say “Israel shouldn’t exist.” But Becky01 has consistently described Jews in a negative light, from the use of “Evil” in the title to “maniacs” (which I believe refers to Jews and not religious people in general) and her description of them as deceptive, along with dismissing FinnAgain’s reasoned response because she apparently believes he is Jewish/believes Jewishness to be a bad thing. It’s the characterization of Jews/Hebrews that makes it anti-Semitic. We wouldn’t tolerate “Niggers are stupid, go eat some watermelon” here, we wouldn’t tolerate “Mexicans are lazy, go eat some beans,” and we wouldn’t tolerate “Fags are evil, go fuck a little boy,” and Becky01’s comments, while less blatant, are along the same lines.
In theory, if you say “I don’t like Jews,” that’s a statement about you and might - I stress might - be allowable in an “Ask the Racist”-type thread. “Jews are bad” is an insult to Jews and to particular posters, and would not. I’m aware we’re slicing things thin here, but that’s the way I see it.
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No, that’s cool. You were just reacting to the racist insults and that’s clear now. I’m just glad that such things could, theoretically, be discussed civilly and remain within board policy. I realize the Board isn’t obligated to maintain freedom of speech, but it’s a nice touch to keep the little bits that we can.
At least she doesn’t have to start working out 
[QUOTE=Marley23]
According to many other Dopers, neo-Nazis and racists have adopted 88 - such a cool number, WHY??? - because H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. 88 - HH - shorthand for Heil Hitler. It’s not much in the way of evidence and Becky01’s posts speak for themselves, but I can see why it makes some people suspicious.
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Except it’s always something else, such as the number on their high school football jersey, or something. Funny, really, how people can have such bold, outspoken views about some things, then have to cover up other things with really lame explanations.
It’s the same dynamic, I’d argue, that causes folks like David Duke to write books on “Jewish supremicism” while denying that he’s a racist. Or that causes folks to talk about “Zionist media control” and then go on to play ‘find the Jew’ in the country’s news/entertainment industries.
Edit: Or to start a thread talking about whether or not “Hebrews” are evil when they really mean modern Jews, but really, for serious, it’s all about anti-Zionism. Those damn bagel eating Zionists.
[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
Edit: Or to start a thread talking about whether or not “Hebrews” are evil when they really mean modern Jews, but really, for serious, it’s all about anti-Zionism. Those damn bagel eating Zionists.
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Yeah. I mean, seriously: you know how hard it is to find a decent bagel here in Zion?
[QUOTE=Malthus]
Well, that’s true.
But the writings of the Greeks and Romans are also pretty big influences on our culture in terms of law, philosophy and politics. Think of concepts like “democracy”, the philosophy of Plato, etc. etc.
Yet the Greeks and Romans did stuff that makes the horrors reported in the OT look like child’s play.
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Ummm. According to the Old Testament, God killed most of humanity. And cursed all of humanity with suffering for the crime of disobedience. And so on. The Greeks and Romans were nowhere near as bad; they didn’t have the power or the inclination.
Even if you restrict judgement to the actions attributed to humans, behavior like killing everything but the virgin girls and taking them as sex slaves is something that the Romans or Greeks would have cheerfully done. If the Greeks/Romans were worse, it wasn’t by any huge margin. No doubt they did more damage, but they were also much more powerful.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
The Bible keeps some ancient viewpoints alive, but that’s because they speak to something within people. If Judaism hadn’t survived or Christianity hadn’t become the dominant religion in the West, I think it would have been replaced with something different but roughly equivalent on the balance.
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I doubt that. Oh, I’m sure that there would still be religion, but as we see all over the world, there’s all sorts of religions that don’t resemble Judaism or Christianity very much. For example, without Judaism and it’s offspring religions, the dominant religions might have been polytheistic, and therefore probably less inclined to think that everyone else is worshipping a false god or demon. Or, the religions that became dominant could have been less aggressively evangelical, less prone to believe that if you don’t worship the one true god the one right way you’ll suffer forever; and therefore, have been less aggressive and ruthless.
The Abrahamic religions are exceptionally nasty as religions go. Not the very worst, but up there. Their underlying worldview makes them so. That’s why people who take them seriously tend to inflict suffering, tyranny and death ( they themselves may be either evil, stupid, crazy, or a mix ). And why in more civilized countries, trying to follow the OT too closely will get you tossed in prison.
That being said, in ancient times, pretty much everyone was, by comparison to modern people, evil. It’s called progress. The problem it, the OT is a survival from a more barbaric time that far too many people think should be a guide to modern behavior. People don’t typically dig up multi-millennia old secular laws are try to claim that they should be resurrected.
As for the OP’s apparent anti-Semitism, I’d recommend that she find some more modern and interesting bigotry. Something in keeping with the nerdesque nature of this board, like a rant about how aliens are evil and should be killed, or a claim for the moral righteousness of enslaving robots. Much more fun to argue about than yet another claim about the Jewish conspiracy to rule the world or whatever.