Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

We can see some of that in play right now. I don’t know if the ads are on where you live, but where I live Bloomberg’s attacking Biden with healthcare – repeatedly. Very simple messages, direct and to the point. They don’t get into impeachment or how he’s not a man of virtue; the ads go right to the kitchen table stuff.

Attacking Biden or Trump?

I’m sure he meant Trump. Bloomberg is absolutely already running a general election advertising campaign.

NYT: Michael Bloomberg’s Radically Conventional Campaign Against Donald Trump

Yang is not going to be the nominee but at least he’s started businesses and ran them. Unlike Biden who sucked on the government teat for basically his whole adult life.

Afaik, Yang started one business and got hired on at another startup as a VP. What businesses (plural) has he started?

He was a Lawyer and a Professor, about three years in each.

It’s Sanders who has never had a real job.

Not that it matters as we have seen what happens when you put a “businessman” in who has no politcal experience.

Yang started one more business than any other major candidate other than Steyer or Bloomberg. And sadly none of those 3 are going to be the nominee. Instead it’s likely to be yet another lawyer who is pretty much a lifetime political office holder. Sanders is the same except he’s not a lawyer. Pete B is also not a lawyer but he has had jobs outside of government , what a concept!! But he won’t be the nominee. The winner will be either a lawyer or Sanders. Also Yang was CEO of a business he did not start, Manhattan Prep

Problem with Trump is not that he had no political experience. The problem is he has multiple major mental illnesses . Such as being a pathological liar for starters.

The idea that a government job isn’t a real job will be a surprise to teachers, police officers, university registrars, and all kinds of other people.

Work as an elected official is 100% a real job and should be treated as such.

to be clear, politician is OK job but not for all of your life like Biden.

It sounds odd but when John Glenn first ran for senate his Dem opponent tried to say he did not have a real job. Glenn had a great comeback:

Metzenbaum contrasted his strong business background with Glenn’s military and astronaut credentials, saying his opponent had “never worked for a living.” Glenn’s reply came to be known as the “Gold Star Mothers” speech. He told Metzenbaum to go to a veterans’ hospital and “look those men with mangled bodies in the eyes and tell them they didn’t hold a job. You go with me to any Gold Star mother and you look her in the eye and tell her that her son did not hold a job”. Many felt the “Gold Star Mothers” speech won the primary for Glenn, which he won by 54% to 46%.[

He’s got multiple advertisements and he’s being very strategic. Last week, he switched the healthcare ad out for the Impeach Trump ad ( the one that premiered on Fox and Friends) in states with vulnerable senators. He was also running it in the national slots on the cable news channels -so Trump keeps seeing it, I presume. But I believe he may have kept the Healthcare ad on in markets without vulnerable senators.

But the one thing all his ads have in common is that he is taking on Trump, not the other Democratic candidates.

Des Moines Register comes out for a candidate. Of course, that is the big city paper, probably more to the left than half of Iowa.

Warren reminds me of my school teachers, older and boring. Kids with lower grades got the young hotter teachers. One of them was called luscious Lynn.

Nice endorsement for Warren and one that goes on to also note the strong positives of other options. It says they believe is what is especially right about her.

Not sure how much power newspaper endorsements have nowadays but it’s a good one.

Yeah, I had a lemonade stand when I was a kid. And a paper route too. Vote for me.

I can’t find that cite either but that sounds about right, considering Bloomberg. And I loved your Moneyball reference so I googled Bloomberg Moneyball.

Turns out he is one of the founders of an actual organization called Moneyball For Government and I suspect he funded it as the other founders appear to be policy experts, not philanthropists. They also have an associated organization called Results for America. Maybe you knew this but I didn’t.

They work with governments at all levels to encourage them to make decisions on based on evidence and data. While I’m not exactly sure how they do that (the website is heavy on rhetoric and big names and light on detail), this means they probably have lots of analytical resources in place already that can be readily adapted to campaign analysis.

I am not sure I entirely agree with that. There might be a valid case for establishing some sort of non-hereditary caste-like protocol by which individuals who show a particular aptitude for careers in government and/or leadership from an early age. Persons who can be taught the subtleties of managing a realm or its aspects, so that we could have truly effective and balanced governance, rather than seat of the pants stabbing at maybe-this-will-make-things-better.

The concept would obviously be somewhat fraught, but then, so is the status quo. And, of course, allowing the governing caste to remain significantly isolated from regular living would be a bad idea – because we have already seen how that works out, right here.

Biden is a career politician. Individual-ONE is almost the exact opposite. Given a choice between the two, I suspect my choice would not be at all difficult.

I had no idea that this was an actual thing! But this is why I’m liking Mike more and more. And I say this as a dyed-in-the-wool pinko lefty who would give anything to have Warren in the Oval Office. He’s approaching this with precision and actual data that I’m not necessarily seeing with other candidates. He doesn’t react, he’s just carrying out a plan with laser-like focus. His message is connecting with guys like my Uncle G and Cousin D (two Detroit union guys, one who sat out 2016, the other who voted Trump, both voted Obama in '08 & '12).

Plus, I’ve said it before but I’m gonna say it again: If he’s willing and able to spend upwards of 2 billion dollars of his own money to win the White House, that means we’ve got upwards of a billion dollars among us that would’ve otherwise gone to the presidential campaign, which we can now donate to Senate and House races.

Also I found the story I mentioned earlier that the Bloomberg campaign "insists that it has pinpointed precisely which messages will move ‘10 to 15 percent of the people who voted for [Trump] in 2016.’ " He’s not fucking around with nonsense issue fights with the other Dems, he’s taking it right to Trump with messaging that has been tested and seems to be working.

I already disproved that, and I noted sanders is 100% all government.

It’s bad form to come here and help out the Kremlin, Trump and GOP by spreading crap that was just disproved 3 posts back.

Klobuchar has been a lawyer and Official.

Help out the Kremlin? LMAO :slight_smile: Most likely I will tightly hold my nose and vote for Biden or some other person who won’t beat Trump. Or I may vote Green party

You are spreading base canards about a Dem candidate. That helps the Kremlin, the GOP and Trump.
And voting Green is what made trump president.