Silly bullshit.
It’s true, that number of independents would have made Hillary win.
Yes, but if you factor the independents in the key swing states, you have to balance the Greens with the Glibertarians, the lion’s share of which would belong to the marionette. The Glibertarian vote totals were considerably higher than the Green totals, especially in the swing states. So screw that little bit of idiotic fapistry. If people want to vote Green, they will vote Green, nothing is going to change that. Blaming them for this mess is not any less stupid than voting Green.
IIRC, Bloomberg actually made his millions – check that, BILLIONS – not with his network but with developing analytical software that basically allowed traders and brokers to get really good, accurate information fast. The network came later. Point being, he was doing ‘money ball’ before Bill James and Billy Beane.
Just more vacuous blather.
Michigan:
margin - 10,704
Green - 51,463
Libertarian - 172,136
Pennsylvania:
margin - 44,292
Green - 49,941
Libertarian - 146,715
Wisconsin:
margin - 22,748
Green - 31,072
Libertarian - 106,672
In no state did the Green vote even come close to the Glibertarian vote, in some cases dwarfed by a factor of more than 4. A large fraction of those voters will simply stay home rather than vote for the D or the R. The Glibertarian vote would go mostly to the R side, probably by 65%-35%. In all three of those close states, distributing those votes as one would typically expect them to go would end up making the marionette’s margin even more than it actually was.
So stop blaming the Green vote for Hillary’s defeat. It was all her fault. If a person wants to vote 3rd party, that is what they will do. If the major party choices suck donkey balls, that is not someone else’s fault.
pretty sure both the greens and libertarians have never won a race for house, senate, governor, president and VP. They have won local races. Libertarians have been around much longer . Greens have won races in Europe for their parliaments.
BTW finally a person is on TV more than Mike Bloomberg. Kobe, but that will only be for a few days
Bloomberg was on Fallon last night , he did a good job. He’s been to 56 cities in 24 states since he joined the race.
New poll in Florida of 2500 voters show Biden still comfortably ahead (41%) but number two with 17% is … Bloomberg. Everyone else below double digits.
Bloomberg is not competing in the four early states so is focusing big on Super Tuesday. Biden will win South Carolina and at this stage probably Nevada, but if Biden falters badly in Iowa and New Hampshire (i.e. 4th place) it will be fascinating to see how his electability nunbers fare once Bloomberg comes into play on Super Tuesday.
https://www.texaslyceum.org/assets/docs/Poll/2020/2020%20Lyceum%20Day%201%20Executive%20Summary.pdf
In Texas:
Trump vs. Biden: 51%-46%
Trump vs. Sanders: 50%-47%
Trump vs. Warren: 52%-44%
Remove Trump?
Yes: 44%
No: 45%
(Note: This poll was conducted prior to the Senate trial)
How is the Pres doing:
Approve: 47%
… Very Good (27%)
… Somewhat Good (20%)
Disapprove: 52%
… Very Poor (36%)
… Somewhat Poor (16%)
By Race (approve/disapprove):
Anglo: 62/38
Hispanic: 36/61
African-American: 21/76
Later in the poll, you’ll see that people are pretty sanguine about the state of things here in Texas, but that is not translating to overall support of Donald Trump.
That’s enough. Warning issued, Bijou Drains. Don’t be a jerk.
You are banned from this thread for one month. Come back when you’re prepared to be less juvenile.
Ugh. Talked to my dad last night. Sort of like how Happy uses his union cousins, I think of my parents as bellwethers of the older white middle class liberal cohort. They were enthusiastic for Bernie in '16, will probably vote for him again this year but think all our candidates have potential big electability problems ( guess at some time in the last four years they noticed that Bernie is old, go figure.
I was horrified to discover that he has completely bought into the Trumpy narrative that Biden was up to “something corrupt” in Ukraine and that that will come back to bite him/us if he is the nominee. If these attacks are actually getting traction with reasonably intelligent, Trump-despising people who don’t watch Fox, that’s a problem.
I have found that among some Bernie fans on the internet, they are buying into the Biden is corrupt and Ukraine smells bad narrative to help them out in the primaries. Not having any sense of how that much blow up in the end.
Well, I’m not sure where Dad is getting this, but it’s sure not on the internet. The man has never so much as sent an e-mail.
The Bloomberg campaign has released his $10 million Super Bowl ad. It’s a 60-second piece on gun control. Michael Bloomberg to air gun control ad during the Super Bowl | CNN Politics
Personally, I’d have focused on the issue of income inequality. I’m just thinking about my Uncle G and Cousin D sitting around with the guys, drinking beer and watching the big game, they don’t necessarily want to be lectured about guns or hear about gun violence. A message about lifting everyone up (income wise) would be a better fit, imo.
But he’s got the data, so maybe perhaps he knows what he’s doing.
Yeah, and George Kemp is hardly the poster child here to use. He was 20yo, challenged a apparent gang member to a fight, and they gunned him down instead. It appears with a handgun. Very likely the un-identified shooter couldnt own a gun legally anyway, so I dont see any Constitutional gun control that would have prevented that shooting.
Bloomberg has now overtaken Warren:
Vacuous syllogism. All else equal Greeners could have elected Hillary. Like it or not, that is simple fact.
Comparing Rs who voted Lib with Ds who voted Green misses the following nuance:
R’s voted Lib because Trump and his ilk are liars.
D’s voted Green because of lies by Trump and his ilk.
And, nitpick: While Johnson outpolled Stein in every state, Stein did come close in Hawaii and D.C.
I don’t know if he’s actually overtaken her just yet in terms of aggregate polling, but there’s no question he’s got the momentum. It’s looking more and more like this might end up being a two-candidate race, and not between Bernie and Biden, but between Bernie and Mike, which seems crazy when you consider how he skipped the race.
Assuming the trends hold up, it’s exactly the right match-up. I, like many, was initially attracted to Biden because of Obama and Clinton-era nostalgia. The reality, though, is that as much as many of us have pined for a return to a bygone era of bipartisanship and working together to get things done, that era is gone. And maybe it’s for the better. If the Republicans aren’t going to act in good faith - as they have repeatedly demonstrated - then why pretend that this is evenly remotely possible?
What people like about both Bernie Sanders and Michael Bloomberg is that they’re unapologetic about their positions, and it’s evident that, right or wrong, they intend to use their bully pulpit to push their agenda. They’re not campaigning on the ability to cut deals – that’s what moderate senators do. When you look at it that way, it’s not surprising that people are beginning to sour on Biden.
What I like about Bloomberg is that he, more than anyone else, seems to know how to use the media machine to get people’s attention. He knows how to harass and frustrate the Republicans.
Except that they haven’t.
Biden remains remarkably flat in his support, neither gaining or losing significantly. His 538 tracker has pretty much been between 25 to 28 since mid-July and is now 26.5. His national numbers are as stable as Trump’s disapproval rating!
The change has been Warren’s relative collapse and Sander’s rise back up. And Bloomberg making his move positioning for Super Tuesday and beyond. But Bloomberg has not poached much from Biden’s numbers. If anything he seems to have taken Buttigieg supporters over.
Interesting that what sells is the perception of authenticity. Warren had it and lost it with her MfA fumbling. Sanders does not vary. Biden keeps it partly because of his flubs - no polished product of focus groups he. And Bloomberg knows the Moneyball but he promotes what he believes consistently.