Hell House
I just watched a movie last night. It was called Hell House. All I could think was that these people are crazy. Just plain insane. I am confused about my feelings on this. My wife says that she is Christian. But, during the course of this movie I told her that these people believed in the same god that she does. She disagreed. She said these people are crazy. I told her that these fundamentalist Christians are just as evil as Muslim Extremists and she claims that she is a Christian. Why would you believe in what they do? Oh man, did her hackles get raised. She decided to take a bath and let me calm down? I can get a little bit overbearing when I talk about Religion. I am not very Christ like when I talk about the idiosyncrasies in the Bible. What I noticed most about these people where that they were born again. Meaning they had already done all these evils that they were blasting about yet they were telling other people not to do them. Seems pretty hypocritical to me. So Back to my feelings again. I bitched again “They are not acting very Christ like. Kind of like you.” My wife got Pissed at me and after some words she said “Don’t you understand, these people are out of control, and I am not………… So I will just believe in what I want. Well I accused her of Cherry Picking. That went over well!! Then we got into and argument over who is we and who is I and what you believe and what I believe. Well, needless to say it didn’t go well. So, how do you other dopers get through these situations with your significant others? (By the way my wife and I have a few gay and lesbian friends and I bust her on this all the time how this is not acceptable with fundies. Who believe in the same OG she does.) But again she says the fundies are OUT OF CONTROL. But I thought god was in control ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Who the F is in control because God isn’t and Og isn’t and Allah isn’t and Dog isn’t and Buddha isn’t and Krishna isn’t and (NAME YOUR DEITY HERE) Isn’t………………
GUESS I’LL HAVE TO GET OUT AND PUMP THE GAS MYSELF AGAIN!!!
Give me a fucking break you dumbass. You obviously have no respect for your wife or her belief system. I’m an Atheist does that make me responsible for your bullshit behavior? No. She’s a christian does that make her responsible for every act of every christian? No.
As for how I’d deal with my SO about if she believed what I didn’t I’d talk to her about it. Decide if she was going to try to teach my (potential) kids Bullshit like creationalism. Find out what the core of her beliefs are. Then if they weren’t filled with nutty crap respect her and thank her non existant god for letting her come into my life and love me.
Grow up dickhead.
Darkdick
Respect (Cough)
Well you sure don’t show any respect for my beliefs
asswipe
But, let’s put the snide comments aside
We don’t have a problem with talking
and we don’t have a problem about creationism or things like that
Religion isn’t a huge controversy in our house. We just like to talk
about it. She is very feely about it and believe in christ, I don’t. She tells people that all I believe in is that when we die we are worm food. You seem to be more angry with me that she is. Oh well, food for thought…
My 13 yr old has a 3.8 grade average and is in the special class
for math. so we have no problem raising our children in a benign atmosphere.
Her core beliefs are inline with mine yet she believes in a deity
yet I do not
She loves me despite of that
Umm My dick grew enough to have a beautiful child (well actually three of them) but rant away bro
heh you compare your wife’s belief system to a bunch of psychos when she makes the reasonable assertion that they are out of control and she is not then you accuse her of cherry picking? You insinuate she’s a hypocrite b/c she has gay friends and some extreme jerks use the bible to hate people. Then you ask me about respect?
As for respecting your belief system look slowly over my post…notice I mentioned I’m an atheist? I have a problem with you being an asshole then coming on the net and whining about your wife’s belief system.
The only problem I have with your ‘beliefs’ other then you seem to believe she’s at fault when you’re the one that picked a fight. Get off your cross it’s better served for that jesus person.
As for anger I don’t get angry over the net. What’s the point? Perhaps I should have worded it better so you could try to see my point. But this is the pit open a thread in MPSIMS if you want thoughtful responses.
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Until they start flying planes into buildings, blowing up pizza parlours, or throwing old crippled American jews off the sides of boats I’m going to have to disagree.
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Only if you’re an idiot and don’t understand what it means to be a hypocrite. If I stole cars as a youth would it make me a hypocrite to tell my kids that stealing is wrong?
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The best way to deal with these situations is to stop acting like an asshole. Do you treat your wife like this during other disagreements?
Marc
This was quite possibly the most unreadable, rambling, incomprehensible, unorganized, poorly-written Pit thread in months.
Next time, try paragraph breaks. Also, try ranting about something a little less “old hat”.
Voted 1/10.
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My stars. It’s pretty clear which side of the family the kid gets his/her brains from.
Look, dumbass. Like Judaism, Hindu, Islam, paganism, or any other major religion, Christianity has a lot of different sects which believe different things. This is something that typically gets covered in social studies pretty early on, but in case you missed it somehow here it is again: ANY MAJOR RELIGION IS NOT A MONOLITHIC ENTITY. It’s perfectly possible and reasonable to believe in the same god but have different beliefs based on different interpretations of the same holy book. A really big example of this is Judaism and Christianity–same god, different beliefs about the divinity of Christ. We won’t even get into the God of Wrath vs. God of Love issue.
How can your wife believe what those evil idiot fundies believe? Short answer: she doesn’t, and you bloody well know it. Long answer, she believes in some of the same things fundies believe in, but only some. She doesn’t have the same very literal interpretation of the Bible that they tend to have, and is thus more accepting of a lot of the world around her. You know, things like gay people and atheists who can’t be bothered to learn about her beliefs before bashing her and lumping her in with groups she has very little in common with.
My husband and I disagree on a lot of things, some of which are very important to us. We get through those disagreements pretty well, just by following one simple rule: Don’t deliberately be an asshat. We don’t “bust” one another for stuff. If there are inconsistencies that are bothering us, we ask about them. Nicely. Respectfully. With kindness and caring for one another. We don’t insult one another’s beliefs or priorities, even when we don’t understand them. When we see that the other person is getting upset, we shut our goddam traps and stop and think about what we’re saying. Sometimes we clarify what we’ve already said, sometimes we apologize for saying things we don’t really mean, or saying things that just came out the wrong way. And sometimes we say, “Well, honey, I’m sorry you’re upset, but this is how I feel.”
Your wife isn’t being inconsistent, but you sure are being an asshole.
I had to google this one. I kept thinking the OP meant The Legend of Hell House, a fine little horror film with Roddy McDowell and Pamela Franklin that I have on DVD. It made the OP seem even less coherent, if that’s possible :D.
As to the OP - dude, be nice to your wife. She’s your wife.
- Tamerlane
Well, I looked up this documentary, too. Just one more reason I’m glad I’m a Canadian. Oh yeah, and you were the asshole, Parameters. Badgering your wife into continuing to fight and belittling her beliefs is not nice.
I’m trying to figure out why the Christian wife is married to the OP to begin with. Did she convert after you got married or something?
It’s very possible, SnoopyFan, that she’s one of the kinds of Christians that thinks it’s okay to shack up with a nonbeliever.
I dunno, Rex, I kind of enjoyed it. I mean, I don’t know what side everybody is on, or what it’s about exactly, or whether I agree or not; but it has an energy to it that I find quite bracing. If it were more coherent I think it might lack a certain something, I don’t know what exactly … tarragon, maybe?
Those don’t exist. They’re myths, like Santa Claus, or evidence of WMD in Iraq, or a Democratic candidate’s shot at the White House.
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That is not ‘just talking about it’, that is you being a jackass. Actually, it doesn’t have much to do with religion - sounds like you’re an emotionally abusive asshole.
As for the little ‘Darkdick’ comment, it’s against board rules to ‘reinvent’ usernames as insults. Sorry for the junior mod moment, all.
Oddly, I also watched Hell House last night.
I think what the OP is getting at is that we consider Christianity normal, when it fact it is pretty darn strange. And when that gets mixed up with fear-mongering, high pressure tactics and extreme judgment, it’s a little scary. They were using brain washing techniques. They were targeting children. The did have that gleam in their eyes that hints at the idea that these people think they are absolutly right and will do anything that their religion- or whatever group delusion they have turned their religion into- calls for.
These people absolutly believe in hell. Not in hell as a metaphor for seperation from god. Hell as in eternal fire. They seem to take some glee at thinking of all the people that are going to hell. They believe that Jesus is physically their best friend. An invisible companion. In a creepy, almost incestous feeling way.
And like it or not, this is what a good chunk of Christianity is about. If you think Christianity is inncuous just because it is traditional in your family and the church serves more of a social and metaphorical purpose for you…well…your ignoring some scary stuff. We all need to critically examine our beliefs. And when looked at critically, Christianity taken to it’s extreme is freaky.
Perhaps the OP shouldn’t be mentally battering his wife with all this, but I think he is just now realizing that something that is pervasive in our country, gaining increasing importance in our government and still used as a synonem for “good” and “honest” isn’t at all the quaint community institution he was raised to believe it was.
Whew! Here I was thinking I was totally stupid!
umm dude I am wondering why on Earth she married you in the first place much less stays. I’d have thrown you out ages ago.
even sven, I think you’re giving the OP more credit than is due. But you do make an excellent point concerning how people blindly follow their paradigms concerning religion.
Here is the crux of the issue, as far as I can tell:
I can’t imagine why. Maybe it’s because you took her belief system and compared it to people who have taken it to an illogical extreme. That’s like going to your typical white American and saying “Hey! There were white slave owners too. Why do you believe that blacks are inferior?” See how that sounds?
Hell House?
Isn’t that what his wife calls the home?
That’s alot like the feeling I get whenever I try to watch rugby.
And perhaps we shouldn’t put kittens and puppies into woodchippers. Of course he shouldn’t be mentally battering his wife with this horseshit. That constitutes deliberately being a dick, and that’s bad for his karma and his marriage.