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If it makes you feel any better, we just went through a similar experience. My wife and I have been guardian (well, she has) of her niece since she was 14. I can almost guarantee that she is more of a “sheep” than your daughter, mainly b/c she was adopted by her alcoholic grandparents who then died when she was 14. No real interests outside of TV and phone, not active at all, etc. etc. Granted, she had 4 years of boarding school under her belt when she graduated from high school, but she was still absolutely terrified heading to Auburn.

She’s done just fine at a large University, and is heading into her Junior year with a 4.0. She’s also leaving for South Africa to study abroad in a few days. These are huge steps for her, and it hasn’t been the easiest road. I predicted that a large school would be the worst thing to happen to her, but I was wrong.

That being said, don’t be surprised if you go through “I love it!..I want to transfer…I love it again!” all before Christmas.

Also, we waited until this past year (Sophomore) before we made her responsible for her own bills & a budget. Still have a lot of work to do there.

Also bear in mind that there are few types of trouble your daughter could reasonably get into that can’t be fixed or ignored in the long run. I know people who spent their entire years at college stoned off their gourds, but nonetheless managed to get a good education and become quite respectable adults. Accept the fact that she’ll almost certainly do things you wouldn’t like, but remember that very few of them have irreparable consequences.

One piece of advice for you/her if she wants to get into vet school: Talk to people and find out what, besides grades and scores, the schools want in general. I had a 3.98 GPA and 780s/790s on my GREs, and didn’t get accepted into grad school in Clinical Psych (and I applied to 13 schools over two years!). The reason? As best I can tell, it’s because I didn’t wash test tubes or record results or whatever for any of the professors doing research, and that’s what they were looking for in the grad schools. It never occurred to me that super grades and scores wouldn’t be enough, so I never thought to talk to people about what grad schools were looking for. I would imagine that U. of Mo has a vet grad school, so recommend to her that she talk to faculty members there to see what they base their acceptances on. As I understand it, getting into veterinary college is even more difficult than med school, because there are fewer of them.

Wow. this is such a helpful thread for me. I’m getting feedback from my ex after just starting to read this .
She is already leaning against letting her take the car off to college.
My daughter is going to be so pissed but I will sleep better at night.

I think the car thing really, really depends on her school.

I went to a small school, in a tiny town. At the time, the nearest Wal-Mart was a half-hour drive away. This isn’t to say I spent a lot of time there, but just to give you a sense of what WASN’T around. Yes, getting around campus without a car was easy, but being able to do just about anything else (especially anything entertaining) required a car or mooching rides. I had a car most of the time I was there, but holy cow did it suck when my car was dead for any reason. It caused a lot of fights between me and my then boyfriend (but he was an ass anyway, so that’s another story). That said, in both incarnations of grad school, I really didn’t/don’t need a car, because public transportation makes everything workable.

I didn’t get an allowance of any sort, and I suspect that’s okay either way. I did get enough scholarships that I was basically paid to go to school. It wasn’t enough to keep me in pocket change, but it covered my truly needed expenses.

My parents tried to forbid me getting a job as a freshman. I got a job a month in anyway, and it was the right choice. On-campus only, as other people have said. In college towns like I lived in, schedulers are used to working around classes, but even some people I know had trouble with it. It also made me responsible for my own choices, though I’d been earning “real money” since I was 12 anyway, so I may not be the best candidate to say it’s fine. In my opinion, an allowance might be tending toward babying your daughter, but I’m not a parent and had a rather different college experience than most, so take it for what it’s worth.

As for credit hours, that really probably ought to be your daughter’s choice, and bear in mind she’ll have to run it by an advisor on campus. She may end up biting off more than she can chew, but so long as you’re supportive about her dropping classes as needed (until dropping to part-time), let her tackle some things. I rarely took fewer than 15 credits, and plenty of 18 credit semesters were fine. I have a friend who is still a touch peeved that she let herself get talked out of 18 credit semesters as a freshman (and did 21+ credit semesters with relative ease once or twice). She would have graduated a full year early if she’d followed her gut rather than her advisor’s advice, rather than a mere semester early. And she did very well in school. I usually say that it’s good for me she decided to stop after her bachelor’s or she’d be wiping the floor with me in grad school.

In the end, the thing that kept me most on the “straight and narrow” about my grades was never forgetting how much money hung on me getting it right. My mother sat me down just before I left and did the math with me about how much money I was getting through merit based scholarships. Then I slipped up enough my second semester to threaten (though not lose) them. I shaped up fast, though not completely I admit. But I never lost my scholarships, and that’s what mattered.

Finally, vet school is a complete bitch to get into by all accounts. If she really does seriously want to be a vet, all the above advice is true. She can’t afford a bad semester, she’ll need to work/volunteer in a vet office and lord only knows what else, and she’ll need extras. This, actually, may be the biggest reason to let her have the car and an allowance - so she can do the extra work involved in becoming a vet. I don’t speak from experience here, but I have watched so many friends try (and, unfortunately, usually fail) to get into vet school. It’s not an easy road at all, from what I’ve seen.

I guess if she does decide she wants to try to be a vet, maybe let her have the allowance and the car if she needs it to get to volunteer opportunities, but make it contingent on exceptional grades and actually doing volunteer work and so forth. Basically, facilitate her desire all you can, but the moment she behaves like it doesn’t matter to her then it doesn’t need to matter to you (vet school, I mean).

grav, glad this is helpful, and I’m quite pleased with the amount of really good advice being given here. I have a colleague here who just left UM-Columbia, but unfortunately I’ve not seen him lately to ask him more questions.

I will stand firm in saying that your daughter is taking a lot of hours… maybe too many hours. Sure, she can drop, but in a large bureaucratic place the dates and forms need to be done just so or else. I had no idea about dropping courses when you were sucking ass in them, which is why my undergrad GPA looks… ordinary. GPAs, of course, are hard to improve, but easy to wreck. Which is why your sweetie needs the best start imaginable.

Having just finished an admissions cycle, I absolutely concur that she should make it a mission to get to know a prof really well, and get some experience working in a lab, even if it’s grunt work or [gasp!] for free. I know we rejected a few high GRE/4.0 students this cycle - they were really bright, but not at all ready to take control of their lives or the challenge of piloting their own ship. Me, I’m a sucker for a letter from a prof, with a coffee mug stain, that goes on for three pages about how great this kid is. Very few kids have those letters, because most of them think that we’re cashiers in the great supermarket of higher education. “Professor X is awesome/sucks” usually correlates to how the student performed in the class.

One letter I read was from a prof that stated in the first paragraph that the student earned a high B in his course. But he talked about her maturity, her stick-to-it-tiveness, what a pleasant a wonderful person she was, and that she was a passionate person when it came to studying education. That young lady will be in our graduate program in the fall.

If your daughter can bust out of undergrad with three of those - from people who respect, admire, and even like her - she will likely have that edge that grades and test scores can’t beat.

There’s still some resistance about the car issue. Most large campuses either directly sponsor shopping buses to the malls, and if not, student groups will. Heck, she might even join student government and make it happen. There is absolutely no need for a first year student on a largely residential campus to have a car - there’s nowhere to park it, and it’s just a hassle to have to deal with tools who will try to take advantage of her because she has a car.

You know she’s going to drink. You’d rather she do it on foot than behind the wheel. Buzzed driving happens every weekend, because if you’re driving your buddies, you’re not going to make them all take a cab home. And you sure as hell don’t want some jackass driving her car home! The car can be a reward for good grades and good judgment a year or two down the road.

I didn’t mean to scare you, but I do study higher ed, and I spent many years as an RA, RD, and area director in housing… so I’ve seen students piss away their higher education. (I’ve of course seen many more mature into amazing, responsible adults.) She will probably be just fine - just be a supportive sounding board, encourage her to get involved in campus life and her studies, and as burundi says, let her fight her own battles… it’s part of growing up. Good luck!

If you feel it’s too late in the game to yank it out from underneath her, you can always tell her the car goes away the minute her GPA drops below a certain level. I know that it was very nice for the college student in our house to be able to “escape” back home for a weekend or two (or three) that first semester.

Can I chime in on the car issue? I don’t think its as big a negative as everyone else seems to. (I speak from experience…I had a car as a freshman, went to a UM, and did just peachy!)

Remember, two out of the four UM schools are in relatively rural areas, and she likely won’t be able to visit home on her own if she doesn’t bring one. Ask yourself - do you want to have to go pick her up to see her? Or for her to rely on her car owning friends to drive her back to STL?

I’m assuming she’s going to UM Columbia if she’s considering pre-vet as they’re well-known for their vet program.

Seriously - there’s so much carpooling available for students between Columbia and St. Louis every weekend, break and holiday that a freshman having a car for that reason is a complete waste. I went to SEMO - which is about the same distance from St. Louis proper that Columbia is (just in a different direction) and finding a ride when I needed one was never ever a problem.

I agree most freshmen have no need for a car. It’s more hinderance than help. Campus parking is never easy or cheap, gas is expensive, and walking is a good way to beat ‘the freshman 15 lb wt gain’. At least when I was in college, campus and dorm parking permits were distributed in such a way it was almost impossible for a freshman to get one - and you could easily be assigned a lot the other side of campus from your dorm! If you do decide she needs a car, study the campus parking and traffic situation very, very carefully first. There are always wrinkles. This is a money-make for the University and they’ll find a way to make sure they squeeze every last cent possible out of it.

Consider getting her a street-legal scooter with a roomy lockable saddlebag-type thingy. Something colorful, sporty, fun, that she won’t be embarrassed by. She can get to Wal-Mart or whatever faster than with just a bike, she can park it (probably) anywhere that accepts bikes, and she can give a friend…one friend…a ride if need be. In the winter she could probably go places where a car wouldn’t be able to go.

Depending on her major, some US schools give preference to people fresh out of high school. I’d like to think it’s because they know how hard it is to get back into school after being out a while, but really it’s probably because they know they can bully an 18-year-old freshman into paying for campus housing, a meal plan, campus health insurance, etc., more easily than they can a 21-year-old. If her university requires, as many of them do now, that first-year students live on campus, it’ll be miserable for her to be 20 or 21 and stuck in a tiny dorm room with an 18-year-old idiot. (US universities do not give single rooms most of the time, unless you pay loads extra, or you are personally so odious that they can’t get anyone else to live with you without threatening to sue.)

Community college is only an option up to a point. Most four-year institutions will not accept more than 3-4 semesters worth of transfer credits for a degree. They don’t want you going to cheap schools for 3.5 years and then transferring in for your last semester to get your expensive-looking prestigious diploma.

If you’re talking about having her move out and work, in many areas of the country it’s nearly impossible to support yourself on the sort of job you can get without a college degree. Especially if she lives near a college already, those jobs tend to already be taken by students who are willing to work them part-time, rather than non-students who ask for things like full-time hours and benefits. Summer jobs are surprisingly difficult to get; employers do not look forward to training someone and then having them leave after three months. I had to lie every single time and say I was looking for permanent employment to even get anyone to call me back.

You are entirely too cynical. If you were talking about a “business school”, I might agree. I know the education available from the nearby community colleges is nowhere near what is available from the four year institutions. While you can, if you make the effort, learn as much at say OSU as MIT, you are not going to at a community college. (I’m not inherently biased against community colleges; I have some basis for comparison. My mom was a librarian and occasional instructor at one, and my dad was a prof at a small, quasi-rural school.)

The fact is, most students have a hard enough time picking up where they left off in HS if they go straight to college, let alone if they spent two years working at a bike store, first.

I don’t recall saying you should spend 3.5 years there, for gosh sakes. :rolleyes: I believe my point was that you can get the “basic” classes (that are essentially the same everywhere) out of the way at a reduced rate while transitioning the student to a college environment. That is why they used to be called “Junior College”.

Around here, many of the colleges recognize that community college plays a part in the degree process. They have actually worked out what classes can transfer for what programs. You only need to contact the registrar to confirm this.

Again, it is not about where you start. It is about where you finish.

Yes, I agree. If you need to take English 101, Math 101 etc–you can get those done at a junior college or community college and then transfer the credits in. It is a good way to ease the financial burden for these basics.

I would imagine that here, though, most Dopers don’t need 101 stuff, so it doesn’t apply. I could be wrong. I tested out of college English; took 4 years of math to circumvent the need for college math, and did the same for foreign language (except I did take one German class because I wanted to). But not all HSs are equal in their course offerings.

The community/junior college thing also works if you scored badly on the ACT or SAT–you can then transfer in to a uni and be considered a transfer student, where much less emphasis is put on your standardized test scores. Or so I’m told.

Just wanted to post my experience for you.

Background:
I was also an honors student in high school. I went to undergraduate with high expectations, and under auspices much like your daughter’s. My parents paid for room/board and I had use of their credit card. I was also not expected to work, as my education was my job so to speak. And while many will tell you that your daughter must work in order to “learn the value of a dollar” or “understand how money works”, I think that’s hogwash. I worked during the summers and during senior year I worked throughout the year (although I was slightly insane that year), and I certainly know the value of a dollar and how money works.

The facts:
1st semester freshman year I took 15 hours: Biology, Chemistry, Advanced English, and Calculus. Much like my 1st semester of high school, I bombed. GPA = 2.6.

2nd semester freshman year I took 16 hours: Intro to Drama (an English class), Private Strings Lessons (violin), American Politics, Intro to Sociology, Theology 101, and New Testament. GPA = 3.81. And I graduated with a final GPA of 3.6.

Moral of the story:
Don’t freak out after her 1st semester grades, especially if she’s going into hard sciences or engineering courses. If she’s taking all general education credits (like my 2nd semester), she should be ok.

Also, be prepared for her to change her major, possibly several times. I’m a slight outlier, but I changed 5 times, and yet still managed to graduate in 4 years and get into graduate school right out of undergrad.

Last words:
Your daughter will make it, she will have fun, and you will also survive. :wink:

If by University of Missouri, you mean the one in Columbia, I went there for the first 3 years of my undergrad, 2004-2007. If she is in fact going to ol’ Mizzou I can PM you with more detailed info about the campus/city. My boyfriend lives in Columbia still so I also go there once a month or so and know the area.

Thanks all for the encouragement and great advice. I just talked to her mother and she is now strongly leaning against letting her take the car to college for her Freshman year.

I told her not to let my daughter see this thread or she may never speak to me again.

Any information is welcome. And yes, it is Mizzou in Columbia. I really don’t do the PM or IM thing but my e-mail address is in my profile.
We don’t know which dorm she will be staying in yet and the University seems to be a little cryptic on this information.

Okay I will send an email out soon.

Thank you so much ** myskepticsight ** Really good information there.

Some will be happy to know because of this thread that her mother has vetoed the car option for her Freshman year. Yea SDMB! I really think this is for the best.
She also said that driving for her Sophomore year is entirely up to how well she does in her Freshman year.

She sounded so feisty on the phone that I had a hard time not laughing. In case anyone hasn’t noticed she is the bus driver here, I’m just along for the ride and helping to pay the bills.

This is just so fundamentally different to how it works here in Australia that I doubt I’ll ever be able to get my head around how it all works.

Here, you are either living at home or flatting with other people- almost no-one lives in the Halls of Residence except foreign students. You have to have a job as the Student Allowance isn’t enough to live on.

This whole “We’ll buy you a car and put money into your account every month” thing for an 18-year old Uni student just boggles my mind, to be honest.