Wait. Just wait a fucking minute.
The Muslims AREN’T trying to kill us?
Stupid is stupid. Some people get closed minded and stupid when they’re old, but a lot of the time, these people are closed minded idiots before they get old. She could be one of those and she doesn’t deserve a pass. To wit:
It’s actually even worse. It’s not about interest on bank accounts, it’s about loans. Perciful thinks Islamic banks are evil because they don’t charge interest on loans. She thinks this is morally wrong and out of whack with the Western way of life. And she thinks it’s unconstitutional. Perciful thinks the U.S. Constitution requires banks to charge interest on loans, and that if a bank doesn’t do that, it’s violating the separation of church and state, behaving immorally, ignoring our way of life, and probably funneling money to terrorists.
Hear, hear - and, as a Brit can I add a special (British two-finger) “up yours” to Perciful for all the implications in the line: We don’t want to end up like Britain.
Thank you
I suspect that lots of people want to kill you. It only stands to reason that some of them would be muslims, just through random chance. *
Also, Kudos to the OP. Good rant, and dead on. Wish I’d said it, although I wouldn’t have said it as well - not least because I’m living in the least likely terrorist target in North America.
[Since this is the pit, the black sucking hole of subtle and iron, I will add for the record that I’m joking, and that you, Clocky are one of my favorite posters, and that I’m sorry that I suggested you were Argent Towers in disguise, and…well, y’know…(digs toe of shoe in the sand, looking sheepish)]
Of course I am! Everyone should have a friend like me!
But who’s Argent Towers and when did you suggest I was him in disguise?
Actually, the evil ones are out to get me, an American. I believe this is the case because they have explicitly said that is what they want to do, and some of the evil ones have already killed so many Americans and continue to attempt to do so.
Hey! Good to see ya! Could you perhaps turn around and go back to fetch that point that you completely missed? Thanks!
He didn’t miss it; he deliberately stepped over it as he passed.
I heartily concur with the OP
And I heartily concur with this one as well. Arguing with her is like arguing with one of my old high school classmates, the ones who have been brainwashed by fundamentalist evangelical preachers all their lives to the point where the possibility that there are multiple points of view is anathema.
The point, friend, is that some Muslims DO want to kill us. (And you’d be closer to the front of that line than I.) In fact, of the group of people who can be defined as “wanting to kill Americans”, Muslims make up a vast majority.Further refine that group as “those who want to kill us, have killed some of us, and continue to actively try to kill some of us”, it’s pretty much all Muslim. Now, that does not mean that all Muslims want to kill Americans, but until you have a fool-proof way cull the evil-trying-to-kill-us ones from the peaceful ones, it behooves us—or those of us who would like to not be killed or have those we cared for killed—to be wary of the whole lot.
Got it now, friend?
Know what, dude, they want to kill me (and Gyrate) too. Thankfully “the evil ones” are so vanishingly small in numbers that even though I live in a heavily Muslim area, I don’t share the same soul-crushing fear that makes Valteron monomaniacal on the subject, and clearly worries Perciful to the point of sleeplessness - and apparently you too.
As I said in another thread, the biggest issue I have with my Muslim neighbours is that one of the teenagers has a huge subwoofer in his trunk, and it really pisses me off when he drives around with it cranked up on a Saturday morning.
I bet Depends would send you some coupons if you asked them. It certainly sounds like you go through at least three pair a day.
At one time Christianity was the worst religion in the world with it’s violent conversion of native people. land grabbing, and persecution of Jews. Not EVERY Christian in the world was bad, but Christianity as a whole was a nasty force. Today it’s fundamentalist Islam. Not sure why people keep trying to defend system so much at odds with what I am sure your own more progressive views on the role of women, the rights of homosexuals, jurisprudence, and democracy.
Is it not OK to say that the Mormons view on homosexuals is wrong, or that the Catholic church was wrong to shelter pedophiles?
ETA: and those of you not concerned with Islamic terrorism are welcome to board your own separate planes that do not screen luggage.
You’re right, by golly. If only I’d said something like this in the OP:
Still - too late to go back and add it now.
I don’t understand that last part. Which line is he closer to the front of?
The standard being foolproof seems rather a high degree of certainty to hold to. There are very few foolproof ways of doing anything, really. To say that, without a foolproof method of doing something, we cannot seperate two groups would lead us to pretty much suspect everyone. Hell, I rather imagine that the vast majority of crimes committed over there are Americans. There’s no foolproof way of determining would-be American criminals from law-abiding folks. Logically speaking, you should hold Muslims, in general, to be much less suspicious than your average fellow citizen.
In fact, by your standards, to wager a guess the group we should most suspect as potentially causing personal or general harm to you would be white male Americans. I’ll try not to let your potential of being a criminal harm my reactions to you. 
Christianity as a whole is not responsible for what the Catholic church or Fred Phelps or crazy militia people do, nor is Islam as a whole responsible for whatever sects Osama and other terrorists belong to.
I will if you will. Condescending jingoistic fear-mongering arrogant ignorant nonsense.
If I remember correctly, jayjay is gay. Now, if he is both gay and Jewish, he’s way in front of the line.
Of course there is no foolproof method. The point is that because there isn’t, and given both the statements and actions of a subset of Muslims, a degree of wariness is not only warranted, but wise.
Out of interest, could you link to that one?
At least you had the decency to specify fundamentalist Islam, which is still a generalization but one a few steps closer to reality. The people to whom I refer in the OP seem to fear any type of Islam at all - extremist, moderate, liberal, quasi-secular, etc. If it says “Islam” on the label, it’s all bad to them.
Also, if you asked a hundred random Americans what group of people was best known for suppressing the rights of women and homosexuals, I doubt the survey would put “Muslim” as the top answer.