Right about the same time you folks finally have the revelation that whatever his flaws, Lincoln ended slavery in the USA and preserved the Union.
In other words, I ain’t holding my breath.
Lincoln is celebrated for the good things he did – preserving the Union, ending slavery, etc. Confederate monuments are celebrating and honoring bad things – fighting to defend slavery, and considering when most were erected, symbolizing support of Jim Crow, segregation, and white supremacy.
You aren’t a mind reader and you don’t know why a particular person likes or dislikes any given monument, painting, or other artifact.
photographing a neo Nazi attack:
SD poster “Zeke” is apparently wrong, the “bad guys” on the right DID start the violence.
(duh!)
Who approached whose lines? Who was the aggressor? How many on the left were shown with injuries? How many were shown having been attacked with chemicals?
Who was reacting to violence with violence?
The left attacked the right responded.
Let me address the torches first. I get the symbolism it was absolutely present and intended. But it was also practical. Show me a nighttime march that doesn’t involve the marchers carrying a light source. That part was practical.
Yes they brought weapons, guns amongst other things. To that I reply:
1)Your stupid fucking country has enshrined that right and so them being in possession of them was more than simply legal it was constitutionally endorsed.
2)How many shots were fired? None.
3)How many of the counter-protesters were injured - prior to the car? None.
That doesn’t sound like people “looking for a fight” but rather people being prepared for one. Even when they were getting maced there was no fight.
Call that cowardice or pragmatism but I’ll promise you that if the right had maced the left and the left had failed to respond in kind the right would be cowards and the left would be paragons of self-restraint.
A spokesman for Unite The Right came out after the car event in order to address it. Maybe he was going to say, “Hell Yeah!” <— I doubt it. But we’ll never know because a mob of the righteous left shut him down and attacked him.
Again white supremacism is beyond reprehensible. But then they would say the same of us. Hate is hate is hate no matter where it is directed. No genocidal group has ever thought, “Gee, our hate is unjustified but let’s do it anyway.” Every group that hates any other group feels that their hatred is justified and the hatred of the opposing side is evil.
Until such a time as we can get past such low-entry ideas as “hate is justified because we are right” we will never, ever make progress toward decency.
Just out of curiosity (not really) where are the calls from the left, from Black Lives Matter, from Antifa for a Truth and Reconciliation process in the States?
Canada, my home and native land, is in the midst of one, and arguably two, and we are racist as fuck.
South Africa had one and they sure as shit were racist as fuck - historical footnote they got the townships idea from how Canada did the reservations.
If you people actually wanted to heal the wounds and move forward you’d think you might follow the example of other nations that have tried. But you don’t want to so you haven’t. You just want to scream “Me, me, me” against “them, them, them.”
Sorry for having been a Big T
Ummmm, what “you folks” do I belong to? Since you have framed it as “us” vs “them” what “them” do I belong to?
I said that an avowed racist fought a war where slavery was a distant second as far as priorities went and you said he was a racist but that is forgivable because of an unintended consequence of his primary goal.
So it’s okay to be racist so long as it works out in the end?
No – I’m talking about why they were erected, which we can determine from historical documents.
You say this like you have any clue whatsoever what BLM or the left is asking, when you very obviously don’t.
In reality-land, one of the co-founders of the Black Lives Matter Network has called for truth and reconciliation, as have many others in left antiracism.
You wanna show me that on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC? I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m saying that that is the sort of stuff mainstream networks would slurp up with a straw.
Are you suggesting that all mainstream media is engaging in a pro-Nazi cover-up of the incident?
BTW - convention (and I think the rule) here is that poster’s names are bolded ** JackieLikesVariety**. FYI
Cite?
And where are the white left trumpeting their support?
I love being told I don’t know what the left is asking. I’ve got pretty solid left credentials. I’ve no idea what this “new-left” wants. And neither do they.
Horseshit, nitpicking and loaded answers. I’m looking at a shield charge there (I’ve been in enough SCAdian fights to know who is doing the attacking). Whine about it all you want but that’s an attack move.
ANd the best thing to use is something that invokes the good old Leni Riefenstahl-photographed Nazi rallies.
SO much better than those libfags and their silly candles amiright?
- THey brought more than firearms.
- Congrats. Do you want me to give them a fucking medal?
- Bullshit.
You don’t bring weapons and call it a peacful protest.
Open racist came for a fight, got one. Whine about it. Gotcha.
I’m not crying for the guy who helped build this environment.
You don’t seem to be thinking this way, you seem to be very fond of apologetics for racists.
Stop your both sides bullshit. It’s way too late for that horse shit. Fucking Nazi apologist asshole.
And how does this contradict my point that for Lincoln, the war was about slavery?
“A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free.” Guess he meant there should be no free states?
Lincoln was opposed to the dissolution of the country, within limits. If he hadn’t wanted to limit slavery to the 15 existing slave states, there wouldn’t have been an issue to drive secession. He was willing to do a great deal to keep the South from seceding, but leaving the door open to slavery’s expansion to new territories was not one of those things. Clearly he regarded this as a more paramount issue than preserving the Union. Ideally he wanted both, of course: a preserved Union where slavery would not expand beyond its 1861 borders. But he prioritized the latter over the former.
:rolleyes:
Its a little group called “The False Equivelencers”, they’d have a weeklyt meeting at at a bar but they can’t agree which bar is morally worse.
Sorry all, post 191 by Mr. Miskatonic is going to take me a while to unpack and reply to.
I’ll be with you all in a bit.
The 1911 dedication speech for the Tampa Confederate Memorial: “The South stands ready to welcome all good citizens who seek to make their homes within her borders. But the South detests and despises all, it matters not from whence they came, who, in any manner, encourages social equality with an ignorant and inferior race.”
I know it’s the Pit, but you should learn to express yourself better. You come across as an unhinged, violent, potty mouth. You sure you don’t have a swastika of your own?
If it is more ‘both sides’ false equivelncy bullshit you can spare us.
For the record, Vice ain’t all that liberal as you claim.
So both sides weren’t fighting? Both sides didn’t have weapons?
suggesting?
I am saying: here is a VIDEO of what happened - where NAZIs attacked a black man for no reason except they are NAZIs and they hate a lot of people, including those who aren’t white.
are you suggesting if it isn’t on the mainstream media it didn’t happen?
because it sure sounds like you are