I spent some of my formative years around Charlottesville, and considered it my home town even after we left, but I bled and bleed Yankee Blue and my whole relationship was problematic. Dad got told off by his co-workers, including Byrds (a name that is still big magic in both Virginias) for calling a Black waitress “miss” instead of “girl.” I recall an overlooked Whites Only drinking fountain towards the back of a walkway. Public school kids got Lee-Jackson Day and Jeff Davis’ birthday off. The state song was still:
Carry me back to old Virginny.
There’s where the cotton and corn and taters grow.
There’s where the birds warble sweet in the spring-time.
There’s where this old darkey’s heart am long’d to go.
There’s where I labored so hard for old Massa,
Day after day in the field of yellow corn;
No place on earth do I love more sincerely
Than old Virginny, the state where I was born.
The town has changed, so I was saddened when those Nazi bastards brought shame along with their rifles. Anybody who makes the slightest attempt to whitewash them and their actions must realize that they sicken reasonable people.
In 17 years I’ve never had an ignore list before, but I am using these threads to populate one. You people disgust me.
And in my town we just recently erected a monument to the dead from WWII. Are you suggesting that this monument is in response to a virulent attack on our… desire to…
Sometimes statues and such go up long after the fact man. There are not always ulterior or sinister motives.
That’s fucked up. Point conceded on that one.
They don’t fucking CARE! The historical sufferings of those that aren’t them are irrelevant . The present day suffering of those that ARE them do matter to them.
Perhaps if the North had treated the South to reparations similar to the allies to the axis in WWII then these problems would have been mitigated. But my understanding is that the settlement was much more treaty of Versailles and so this is merely reaping what has been sown.
But I am more than willing to be corrected if I’m wrong. Like I said we don’t study the civil war in depth here.
Does a schizophrenic who hears voices saying the government has planted spybots in his scrotum believe it any less firmly because it is not supported by evidence?
I certainly didn’t ignore that fact. I was talking about perception. As any HR widget will tell you perception is reality. This is the perception of the people you are currently decrying. People who come from states that ARE in fact impoverished, ARE in fact behind in every measure and ARE in fact largely undereducated.
They perceive that their problems began with the civil war - how many people (like the SCA orc-fuckers) long for days gone by without considering the likelihood that they would have been serfs. I never claimed it was rational or based in fact. I claimed that this is their perception of reality.
Yes, a few major metropolitan areas. Sure.
I notice that there are no cities in Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana (outside of New Orleans - which has always sounded cool but certainly not terribly prosperous) on your list. What about Virginia, North and South Carolina? I know that there are metropolitan centers in Florida, but is the majority of the state on par with Miami? Is most of Texas like Dallas?
Tolerance through vitriolic intolerance and enforced diversity only exacerbate the problem.
How many million? Does it come close to 12 million? If not then the numbers don’t equate. If it was close to 12 million then was it done in the space of 4 years? If not then the scale does not equate.
There has been no human atrocity EVER that comes near to the holocaust and to suggest that it is less than a singular event is to minimize the magnitude of it and I’m surprised that you would say otherwise.
Are you fucking kidding me? The Romans, The Greeks, The Egyptians, The British, The Belgians (who may have come close to the Nazis under Leopold II - though not in numbers)
Do you really suppose that Jews weren’t raped, beaten and mutilated under the Nazis? How about LGBTQTS? Romanians, Poles, Russians.
So what is to be done with people who are “vile beneath tolerance” I know a group that had an idea. “Oh,” but you say, “I’m justified in saying that.” What would Himmler have said?
See above.
And you believe that the best way to do this is to emulate the tactics and rhetoric of those you abhor?
Did the Nazi’s begin with extermination or did they begin with shutting down and attacking dissent while claiming those they disagreed with were harming society and were beneath contempt?
Provide the context and I’ll be happy to respond but I’ve no idea what this is in response to.
Holy fuck man! You are right, zealotry only exists on their side.
Then why did you guys spend so much time, money and blood blowing the fuck out of Iraqi’s (instead of the Saudi’s who actually did 9/11.) Fuck me man, it would have been a lot cheaper and easier to go after the ones who had done worse than 9/11.
Wow man, just wow.
Slavery is on par with the holocaust and the KKK is up there with ISIS and the Taliban.
Many, many more millions than 12 were killed by the brutality of slavery in the US. Even more were raped and brutalized. The KKK and other white supremacists killed far, far more people than the Taliban and ISIS, if we look at all of American history.
Yes, American slavery is on par with the Holocaust (pretty much as evil as evil gets), and white supremacists are up there with ISIS and the Taliban.
Outside of actual Nazi’s and a few other fringe elements people today generally recognize that genocide and slavery are bad things.
But I get tired of plainly stupid and overly emotional people who are willing to advocate dismissing fundamental ideals in order to virtue signal. It’s counterproductive and too many on this board and elsewhere are far too illiberal in their thought.
So to do the math on the whole new world slave trade:
1866-1525=341
Assuming that each slave was murdered raped or brutalized that works out to 366567 per year.
The Holocaust - 12 million dead between 1941 and 1945
1945-1941=4
that works out to 3 million per year.
Yu, that seems about equal.
The numbers have conclusively shown that the New World slave trade and the fucking holocaust are completely equivalent.
I’m not being disingenuous. I don’t think you actually agree with those examples, but I think they’re illustrative of my point – that the presence of Nazis and white supremacists really does change the game. I think it’s probably reasonable to think they’ll be violent, and maybe to be prepared for violence. And even with this, it’s still important to directly oppose them. I wouldn’t be for starting fights, but being ready for a fight isn’t the same thing as starting one… and with Nazis and white supremacists, being ready for a fight might be necessary for life and limb.
Or how about the ones about the monuments? Why was it okay for Germans to tear down Nazi monuments, but not for us to do the same for confederate ones?
You might have to do some of the math yourself (I can’t cite right now) - looking at slave population charts, and estimated child mortality rates and life expectancies, there were at the very least a few tens of millions of slaves in America for our whole history. A lot more than 12 million. All were subject to routine brutalization, including rape. Most died considerable younger than free Americans due to routine brutality.
Considering the very significant amount of European ancestry (20 to 30 percent) that African Americans have on average, and considering the essentially godlike powers a plantation slave master (and importantly any male overseers and adolescent sons) had over his slaves, it’s very likely that almost every young female slave was raped, many or most repeatedly and routinely. Male slaves were often forced to have sex with other slaves in order to “breed” desirable characteristics - that was also rape.
It doesn’t get any worse than that. It doesn’t get any worse than the Holocaust (in which some is my relatives died) either. Both are as bad as humans get.
That’s only the ones who came by ship. Many more were born in America, and all were subject to rape and brutalization.
You might feel that killing someone immediately is way worse than chaining them up and raping them for the rest of their lives, but I don’t. They’re both terribly evil.
You’re a bad person because you do bad things. You let your bigotry and fear master you; the struggle of good people is to work their entire lives to master their bigotry and fear. You are so dominated by your fear, fear of your inadequacies, fear of people different than you, fear that you haven’t done much with your life, that you now find yourself defending nazis. Think back to a time when you weren’t this broken, could that person have imagined what a failure you’ve become spiritually and emotionally? You are a bad person, stop.