Whoa. Gettin’ a little hardcore with the hoyay!
I thought the answer to why DL didn’t let the bullet phase through him was because it would then hit Nikki or Micah. He stepped in front to take the bullet, not to let it pass through him.
The one thing that disappointed me was the way Hiro killed Silar. He’s supposed to be a very good swordsman now, and his idea of attack is to stand ten feet away, yell ‘yeeeaaah!’ and then…charge? And Sylar lets this happen when he just showed us he’s fast enough to stop bullets? The whole thing made me think that this was all a ruse by Sylar to make them think he was dead or something, because he just wasn’t supposed to be that easy to kill.
Maybe it was an editing error. Maybe Hiro stopped time and then charged, and it just didn’t come across that way to me. I would have preferred Hiro to just appear instantly in front of Sylar with his sword pulled back ready to thrust, and had just nailed him before anyone had time to think. That would have been more impressive, and more believable.
:smack: Of course! (Not that Micah was there, but, yeah, to save Nikki)
It doesn’t appear to be damage that’s the problem, but something being in the way of stuff growing back.
Besides, we already know that Peter can survive it, since he did in the alternate future.
Happily I didn’t have to wait ages to watch this episode. I was worried it’d be like last week. I thought it was a pretty good ending. Parts I enjoyed most; the fact that at the end they were all there together (well, most of them); Hiro and Ando’s last conversation (“You look badass” “:D”); and Niki clonking the hell out of Candace (who appeared to be her, rather than a big fat person - here’s hoping all of that is just a cover and she’s actually just a total bitch) and then Sylar with the parking metre.
I don’t know how people are saying Kensei looked like Papa Nakamura; didn’t he have a full-face mask?
My thoughts on Sylar going down the manhole;
Peter did it. Travelling back from the future because he needs Sylar’s power and he didn’t absorb it the first time.
Really loved the scene with Sylar and Hiro in Isaac’s loft with Sy taunting Hiro with “Let’s see if you can save your friend before I slice him open.” And then whish! Hiro swoops in, grabs Ando and ends up in Japan. The look on Sylar’s face was priceless! He was so used to always winning it was great that Hiro was the one who finally gave him his cummuppance.(sp?)
Is all of Claire’s family now dead except Daddy Noah? What happened to biological mom?
I also felt that the lone horseman bore an uncanny resemblance to Sulu. Only saw the eyes, but those eyes were quite distinctive.
In the recap at the beginning of the episode, they changed several lines, not just that one. Hiro’s exchange with Papa Nakamura was also subtly different, and I think there were differences in the scene between Mohinder and Mr. Bennet.
Not big differences, mind you, but some subtly changed the meaning of the scene.
Since we haven’t actually seen anyone explode, we don’t know exactly what that entails. Ted, Sylar and Peter all released energy without suffering any physical harm so it’s possible that the “explosion” is a similar release of energy on a massive scale that would result in little or no harm to the one releasing it.
They didn’t change lines. These were new lines that were said after the scenes from last week. DL ended last week unconscious or semi-conscious. Niki’s line about the bullet came after she roused DL back to consciousness. Mohinder and Bennet’s scene was a continuation from the start of the Mexican standoff. Hiro was inside the shop at the end of last ep and his exchange with Papa Sulu took place outside after he’d walked out.
This is true. It could represent all the predictions of the future that he made that have now been changed. The machine was just reseting itself to the new timeline.
We noticed for the first time last night the more mama Petrelli talks to Nate the darker the lines under his eyes become. She is defiantly using some kind of power on him.
Also we are thinking that the cockroach is the symbol of the new bad guy and that he has been watching Gabe the whole time. He was the one who dragged the dead body into the manhole. I thinking there is a very good reason Molly is scared of the new badie.
Peter has shown in the past that he needs his brother for moral support. He needed his brother to take him up because he was freaking out and it’s already been shown that peter has Ted’s weakness. (His powers are tied to his emotional wellbeing) if he was calmer they would have more time to take him higher. As for why didn’t Nate just drop him off before he blew his top, Think Spock in TWOK – “he’s already dead Jim” Nathan would be dieing of radiation poising long before they reached a safe height.
Pardon me, but your criticism appears to be that they had obviously not planned the storyline out in advance, because things didn’t go the way you wanted them to.
There was never really any chance that the timeline wouldn’t be changed. The entire season’s story arc was about these people learning that they were heroes because they could make a difference – which would have been pointless had they not been able to actually make a difference. The purpose of all the foreshadowing that changing the timeline wasn’t possible (e.g., Charlie) was to make the impact all the greater when the heroes did it anyway.
And of course Peter’s arc came down to love and hope – he’s the empath, that’s how he does his thing. Simeone’s father had been telling him the same thing from the start of the season, Claude had told him that he was an empath (although Claude had a few of the details wrong), and he himself had repeatedly done the emotional blackmail to Nathan. He’s emo-boy; it would’ve been odd had the glurge not shown up for his big moment.
So, has anyone been able to figure out what Mr. Deveraux’s or Mama Petrelli’s powers actually were? Deveraux knew Peter was there, but what else he could do is kind of a mystery. And I think her emotional manipulation of her sons was just Mama Petrelli being a Mommy Dearest, not her power. I suspect that they both may have been precogs – but with dueling visions that didn’t quite match up.
Right. As I saw it, they broke up the “previously…” into its various scenes and extended each scene from last week into a few seconds of new material.
Which I thought was kind of neat. A way to add interest for folks who’d otherwise be bored by the “Previously…”
I’m unconvinced that Mama Petrelli has a power at this point. She might but it hasn’t been explicitly stated that she does. Like Papa Sulu, she may be one who was associated with the earlier generation without having powers herself.
As for Papa Deveaux there are a few possibilities based on what we’ve seen. Could be prophetic dreaming (although that’s a partial duplicate of Isaac and we haven’t otherwise seen duplicates), could be some sort of astral projection, could be some sort of memory implantation (thinking that the scene from the finale was an implanted message from Deveaux).
I’m thinking that Mr. Deveraux’s power may be sort of an ability to speak to people through dreams. Wasn’t Peter knocked out when he did his visit back to Mr. Deveraux’s balcony and saw the meeting with Momma Petrelli? And didn’t Peter start having the dreams of flying earlier when he was working as a hospice nurse for him?
Yeah, that’s an awfully subtle power she has. I mean, all us moms can emotionally manipulate our kids. It’s how God compensates us for the pain of childbirth. 
WHat? All the way to page 2 and nobody has quoted Hiro’s last line of the season?
I was expecting that the line would be “Oh boy.”
Speaking of this does anyone who speaks Japanese know what he actually said?
Was there a difference between the paintings and the comic book in what happened in their versions of the future? It seems that the comic book was right and the paintings were wrong. Perhaps they represented two different time lines. Just a thought.
My $.02
As has been mentioned, I don’t think Peter’s going to suffer any harm from goin all 'splodey; Nathan (assuming he didn’t fly him up to the atmosphere, let go, and take off in another direction) is totally toast. The WoK reference is a good example as far as the radiation poisoning goes. If Peter DID kill his brother, it will unfortunately make him more Emo. Why couldn’t he be more like the cool-looking Future Peter?
As far as Peter flying himself, someone else mentioned that Peter was probably too busy trying to concentrate on holding back the radiation to be able to use any other powers. As we noticed when he was training with Claude, the more powers he channels at one time, the harder it is for him to maintain control of them.
My buddies and I were catching up on the past few episodes before the finale, and when Sylar assaults the truck Ted is in, I made a remark to my friend that Sylar probably doesn’t need to make gestures, he just does it for style points. Then in the finale, when he has Ando up against the wall, he seems to acknowledge this himself when he has a little smirk and keeps Ando pinned against the wall while turning around. Just a little quirk that made me chuckle.
Mama Petrelli’s power might be persuasion, but that would be really close to Eden’s power, so I’m kind of reluctant to accept that. No idea what Papa Deveaux’s power might be, but I don’t think it’s astral projection (see below); he could be some sort of telepath, able to implant ideas in people’s minds so that they come out later? There’s got to be another precog like Isaac somehwere, though, because Linderman et co all knew about what might happen before they ever interacted with Isaac.
The idea on the NBC Heroes forums for Nikki/Jessica was that Jessica had astral projection, and before she died she projected herself into Nikki so that she could continue to protect her from their father (and everything else). Nikki’s own super power is the super strength, which Jessica taps into whenever she is in control of the body.
I was a little surprised at Candace; I expected that when she was knocked out she would be forced to drop the illusion and reveal her fat self. She implied when speaking to Micah that she was on the hefty side.
I was a little irritated with Sylar’s “death” at Hiro’s hands as well… it seemed kind of lame; I agree with the poster that said it would have been cooler to see him teleport in and immediately stab him. I’m also open to the possibility of Hiro supposedly slowing time down and them screwing up the editing to make it apparent. That also makes me wonder if Hiro slowed down time while training with his dad, or if maybe his dad has some sort of enhancement power to help people learn stuff. I hope there’s some explanation other than “insta-samurai” 'cuz that’s just lame. Also, in Hiro’s defense as far as making sure Sylar was dead, he may have been a little distracted by Peter being all nuclear and Peter’s request to kill him. Classic d*ck move from Sylar, flinging Hiro away like that at the end. 
I think Sylar’s eyes at his death were playing the images that Issac saw which led up to Sylar’s death; I think Isaac had seen exactly what was going to happen, and his power was showing those images to Sylar as a last slap in the face. Although I’d like to see a slowed-down version of the images to make sure they’re not showing clues about what happens next season. It would
Next Villain spoiler:
The next villain, from what I’ve gathered (I used to spend a lot of time on the NBC Heroes boards, where they came up with this idea) will be someone named Uluru. The rumor is that his power is invulnerability, and he looks bad-ass. He was on the cover of one of the 9th Wonders comics that Micah had toward the beginning of the season. image link below since it shows up in spoiler boxes anyway:
SPOILER LINK: picture of possible next villain
I don’t think that Kensei is actually Papa Nakamura, but it will probably be the same actor, as I believe Kensei is an ancestor of the Nakamura family.
I was hoping someone might tell us what he really said in Japanese.