Hey, BlackKnight, ya cheap fuck!

[smam]

In an almost identical thread to this one about three months back there was even a waitress who said that she would not tip if she thought the service was not upto scratch, but you ‘always tip whatever’ advocates come across as cowards to me.
Ask yourself “just what do I get out of tipping every time even for sub-standard service?”

Surely you do it just to feel like the man or whatever, like watch how I tip even for shit, are I not just real class or what?
Get fucking real, all you do is encourage lacklustre service and make yourself look like wimps at the same time.

Imagine the scene, backstage in the kitchen two waiters are talking -

W1 - “I cant believe she just gave me a 15 dollar tip for that undercooked shit I just slapped on her table.”

W2 - " Some people have to tip, it kinda gives them a pseodo self-confidence boost, btw theres the guy who called us out for giving him stale bread last time, better give him the good stuff now. "

W1 - " Yeah, so I can’t wait till my fortnight in Ibiza, you comin?"

W2 - " You betcha."

And to the guy with the initials who mentioned my punctuation, get a fucking life and stick to the topic, if you want to post about missplaced apostrophes do it in another pit thread, you know… the anal thread. Someplace I wont have to waste time reading it.

[smam]

I know, I know

[LolaCocaCola]

Well, I see this bad boy is still going strong!

Look, I started this thread not because BlackKnight doesn’t tip when the service is bad, I started this thread because he is under the impression that he doesn’t need to tip even if the service was good because he either “forgets” (riiiiight), or he doesn’t have enough cash left over (so don’t order that second Sprite, dipshit, and tip the server who’s been feeding your pie-hole all night!)

And then we have insane-in-the-membrane Mockingbird who seems to think that since BlackKnight is a struggling student, that he should be exempt from the practice of tipping (???) Well, I have been a struggling student and I worked! Sometimes I would have extra cash and newsflash! that’s when I would go to a restaurant! When money was tight, that’s when I would eat Top Ramen, or grab a slice of pizza or whatever… but I would never dream of going to a restaurant just because I have the right to eat well, and screw the poor schlub who’s bringing me my food!

That’s outrageous!

This thread is like beating a dead horse because it’s obvious to me that the cheap are going to remain cheap, and the rest of us are going to continue to call them on it.

However, I would have a lot more respect for you if you would just admit you’re a cheap fuck, rather than coming up with all these ridiculous excuses and scenarios.

I think I have said all I need to say on this matter without going in circles. And I am not going to spend most of the day responding to a thread like I did yesterday!

Good day.

[Garfield226]

*Originally posted by Audrey Levins *
**Garfield, if someone is rude and unpleasant to me when they sit down at the bar, I do not expect them to tip me, because rude and unpleasant people are generally very poor or nonexistent tippers. And even if they aren’t, I don’t really want their money badly enough to put up with their unpleasantness. (See my previous post about the great tipper with the bad attitude. I meant it.)

So if you are rude and unpleasant when you order your coffee, I don’t really care if you tip me on it; I just don’t want to deal with you. There will be plenty of other pleasant people with lovely demeanors and bigger wallets to take your place, both while you are there and when you are gone.
**

Wow, I certainly wish I could choose to only be around nice people all the time…wouldn’t that be great? It’d be nice to be able to pick and choose all the people I came into contact with, make them all be nice and pleasant.

So if I’m unpleasant, you’ll automatically assume you’re not getting a good tip, and thus give me crappy service. When you get a crappy tip because of your crappy service, you use this as justification that your plan works and so the cycle continues. That pretty much how it works?

Like I said, I always tip at least %15 and usually more, unless I get crappy service, in which case, I still tip, it’s just less. ALWAYS. Even if I’m in a bad mood and seem rude or “unpleasant” or whatever. Maybe I’m in the minority on that, but since it’s so “ingrained” as everyone’s so fond of bringing up, it’s just how it works. I eat out, I leave a tip.

Here’s where your plan breaks down.

I come into your bar, and sit down and order drinks or food or whatever. You find me “unpleasant” (whatever your arbitrary subjective definition of that is…). You provide me with crappy service, since you’re not expecting a tip, which is too bad, because I would’ve left you at least %15 had you just provided me with the same service you give to everyone else (not exemplary service, mind you…just bring me my drink and my food without any significant delays, and make sure they don’t have any “added ingredients.”).

[smam]

LolaCocaCola do you always no matter what provide a tip? Are there no circumstances that you can conceive of when you think it is right not to pay a tip?

[BlackKnight]

Lola, I knew you couldn’t stay away.

It’s obvious you’re not going to actually listen to anyone else. Well, I suppose I can’t blame you. This is the Pit, after all. Maybe I should just be cursing at you like you’ve been cursing at me, and saying how bad a person you are. I don’t think I will though. Either way you think I’m human scum and pretty much pure evil.

Convincing you otherwise is, I think, impossible, and you certainly aren’t worth the effort. So I’ll go back to mutilating some kittens and raping some nuns and you can go back to your cloud and play your harp.

[Audrey_Levins]

Garfield, you missed the part where I said I don’t really care about your damn money if you’re an asshole. Feel free to scroll up and re-read it. I was willing to get rid of one of my better tippers because he was an asshole; as I said originally, life’s too damn short and my bar’s too full to put up with rude assholes. Even if they’re tipping. (Which is a rarity, btw, but even for the exceptions, as I said, I don’t really care. I don’t dance for any amount of money; if you don’t treat me respectfully, I don’t want your money bad enough to put up with you. Period.)

And my definition of “unpleasant” is pretty simple. People who are short with me, who snap their fingers at me like I’m their dog, who rattle their drinks at me, or swear at me, or say insulting/offensive things I don’t feel like typing out because they’re gross…these are all people I don’t put up with regardless of how well they tip. If you don’t do these things, you don’t fit my definition of “unpleasant” and your service will be just as good as anybody else’s.

And this may irritate you, but the laws that apply to serving alcohol involve a lot of liability on my part, so I can “pick and choose” who I “surround myself with” while I’m working. And it’s nobody’s call but mine, because it’s nobody’s liability but mine.

And it doesn’t really matter if you like that or not, because it’s a fact. :shrug:

[Guinastasia]

*Originally posted by BlackKnight *
**For what it’s worth: http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/tip.htm

Yes, tipping really is optional. When restaurants automatically add gratuity charges to large groups (which I certainly have no problem with them doing) then they are no longer tips. If they want to do this for every meal, good for them. But until and unless they do, tipping is optional and you have no right to call anybody else an ignorant piece of shit for opting not to spend their money on you. **

When they have to pay taxes on what you didn’t pay, yeah, they do have every right to call you a piece of shit.

[LolaCocaCola]

*Originally posted by BlackKnight *
Lola, I knew you couldn’t stay away.

Sigh.

No, BlackKnight. I couldn’t stay away because I am secretly in love with you and want you to take me to a restaurant so you can wine me and dine me and then at the end of the meal watch you stiff the waiter, then have the manager come to our table and ask you if there was something wrong with the service because it is customanry to leave the waiter a tip.

Cuz, you know…that gets us chicks all hotttttttt.

:rolleyes:

[Guinastasia]

For those who don’t tip-remember-you get what you pay for.

If you only want to pay for the food-which is what you’re paying for with the menu price-then don’t complain when you don’t get good service. Because you get what you pay for.

And put your money where your mouth is, and start writing letters and lobbying politicians to change the labor laws.

Until then, bite me.

(And FWIW, I never worked in a restaurant, or any other tipping industry).

[TwistofFate]

I thought BlackKnight said he would normally leave a tip, but would sometimes forget to leave one. He only said he would intentionally NOT leave a tip if the service was bad.

Where exactly did he say he would Intentionally stiff the waitstaff regardless of the service? He has said that he might not be able to afford to leave a tip, and then the whole “Then don’t eat out!” brigade came in, but nowhere do I see him saying he would intentionally not tip someone regardless of the service.

The scenario’s only came about after he was jumped on.

[TwistofFate]

*Originally posted by Guinastasia *
**For those who don’t tip-remember-you get what you pay for.

If you only want to pay for the food-which is what you’re paying for with the menu price-then don’t complain when you don’t get good service. Because you get what you pay for.

And put your money where your mouth is, and start writing letters and lobbying politicians to change the labor laws.

Until then, bite me.

(And FWIW, I never worked in a restaurant, or any other tipping industry). **

This makes absolutely no sense at all, Guin.

The Tip is given at the end of the meal. So how exactly do you get Good service if you tip well, if you don’t tip until after the service has been provided?

Do you only tip well in the hope of getting better service the next time you come into the restaurant?

[Garfield226]

*Originally posted by Guinastasia *
**For those who don’t tip-remember-you get what you pay for.

If you only want to pay for the food-which is what you’re paying for with the menu price-then don’t complain when you don’t get good service. Because you get what you pay for. **

You don’t seem to understand…

It isn’t customary to tip before a meal in any place I’ve been. Therefore, there’s no way a server could know how much of a tip he or she is getting from me before I actually leave it at the end of the meal. If they just arbitrarily assume that I’m going to tip bad and they give me crappy service, they shouldn’t be surprised when I tip bad, because they gave me bad service.

Barring repeat customers, you can’t say, “IF you don’t leave a tip, THEN expect bad service,” because the service comes BEFORE the tip.

And, Audrey Levins, I wholeheartedly support your right to throw someone out if they’re treating you the way you described. I have no problem with that whatsoever. That’s part of running a private establishment.

My problem is just when a server provides bad service because they’re not expecting a tip, and they get indignant when they get a bad tip because of the bad service they just rendered.

[BlackKnight]

*Originally posted by LolaCocaCola *
**Sigh.
Cuz, you know…that gets us chicks all hotttttttt.
:rolleyes: **

Sorry to intrude on your stomach-churning fantasy, but you are completely misinterpreting that statement (not that I’m surprised).

And Guin, do you honestly think talking like that is in any way constructive or helpful for anyone?

[BlackKnight]

Oh, and I meant your post about me being a piece of shit, not your latest one which was actually pretty good.

[Guinastasia]

Well, if he forgot, maybe once or twice-it sucks, but that happens. He should simply make up for it on the next occassion.

If he stiffs bad service, then he’s doing the right thing-do NOT reward bad service.

If people keep coming back, and are poor tippers, word gets around. They remember you.

It also encourages people to work for something if they think they’ll get something. I thought that was the whole idea of free-market capitalism-work hard, get rewarded. That’s what tipping is supposed to be about.

To expect people to run their ass off for you, and then stiff them, to expect them to wait on you out of the goodness of their own little hearts, well, that’s all very nice, but it doesn’t pay the bills.

Then why take a job where you have to depend on tips? For some people, they have no choice-that’s all they can find.

If you don’t like it, and want it to change, lobby your congressmen about labor laws.

If you can’t afford to tip, but want something nice, well, suck it up, and get something cheaper-buy something cheap but tasty from the supermarket, or find a cheaper restaurant, watch what you order, and budget accordingly.

But don’t take it out on the waiter or waitress. When they’re taxed on what you didn’t give them, you’re screwing them over.

[LolaCocaCola]

*Originally posted by TwistofFate *
**Where exactly did he say he would Intentionally stiff the waitstaff regardless of the service? He has said that he might not be able to afford to leave a tip, and then the whole “Then don’t eat out!” brigade came in, but nowhere do I see him saying he would intentionally not tip someone regardless of the service.
**

Well, I started the OP because I questioned his forgetting a procedure that’s so ingrained in our society and for having the gall to state he wouldn’t tip he if doesn’t have enough cash (meaning his food is a priority and tipping is just incidental if he happens to have a couple of bucks left over).

But to answer your question:

Do you people really, honestly think I’m a horrible person because I decline to make a voluntary payment?

Hey, I’m quite an expensive fuck. But that’s because I include the service charge as part of the overall cost.

(meaning he considers the tip to be part of the cost of the meal and nothing extra should be given)

tipping is optional and you have no right to call anybody else an ignorant piece of shit for opting not to spend their money on you.

There are a few examples that lead me to believe that this guy considers tipping to be a city in China.

[BlackKnight]

I’m not sure how I could make up for it on the next occassion. I have no way of knowing if the waitperson who served me last time still works there, which is a real concern considering how often I eat at sit-down restaurants. You’re also counting on me remembering that I forgot, which is quite an unreliable thing to count on.

I don’t expect people to run their asses off for me. I don’t expect them to work out of sheer altruism. I expect them to take my order and bring me my food. The only criteria I have for how they do this is that they do it: Reasonably accurately and reasonably promptly. They are paid for this.

Someone cited the Department of Labor in this thread. If a tipped employee’s (I can’t help but imagine this as the logical progression from cow tipping … but I digress) $2.13 an hour regular wages plus tips is less than the federal minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference.

Sounds to me like they are guaranteed minimum wage, plus the chance of making even more.

And, yes, I do often tip, as has been pointed out constantly. However, I don’t think that in those cases where I do not that I am a piece of shit, that I am stealing, or that I simply do not deserve to purchase the food on the menu at the price it is advertised at.

[Jessity]

Wow, what a beautiful mess!

I have to agree with Guin, if you don’t like tipping, the place to start is with writing politicians. Until then, quit bitching.

As for the “starving college student” bit and the “I’m poor” bit, if you’re so broke that you can’t drop two bucks on my table when you’re done eating, take the ten or fifteen bucks you’d spend on dinner and go get some groceries. That’ll last you much longer than eating out, then you won’t be so broke. And before someone steps in to tell me that they shouldn’t have to eat at home all the time because they’re POOR, well. . . yes, you should. Eating out is about the luxury of having someone else cook food that you didn’t have to go to the grocery store to buy, make sure your drink is refilled, having it taste good, someone else cleaning up after you. It is a luxury. I myself have gone for long stretches of time not eating out because I couldn’t afford to.

And Garf.

The majority of people are not (I don’t think,) talking about treating people like shit before they tip because they think they’re not going to tip. But yeah, I remember regular customers who don’t tip. And no, I don’t treat them as well on their return visits as the ones who do. But. . . what do you expect? I also think the majority of people who whine about bad service (and no, I’m not saying you’re whining about bad service,) haven’t really gotten BAD service. Bad customers are much more the case than bad service. And no, I’m not just saying that because I’m a waitress.

[BlackKnight]

*Originally posted by LolaCocaCola *
Well, I started the OP because I questioned his forgetting a procedure that’s so ingrained in our society

Spare me this repetitive BS. YOUR chunk of society may well have had it ingrained in them, but unless you want to stop slinking around and call me a liar to my face, you know that I am not among that select group. Or did you not read that part of the thread?

and for having the gall to state he wouldn’t tip he if doesn’t have enough cash (meaning his food is a priority and tipping is just incidental if he happens to have a couple of bucks left over).

Well no shit my food is priority. I don’t go out to a restaurant for the purpose of giving money away. I go there for food. You’re really, really reaching here.

(meaning he considers the tip to be part of the cost of the meal and nothing extra should be given)

Bwahahahahahahaha!
Can you hear the whoosh?