Well, alright then. If anyone needs me, I’ll be over here, backing away slowly from smiling bandit.
It’s English! You know like Monty Python’s “How not to be seen.”
It was still a stupid video, good to see it was pulled out but this org will not get any support for a long time from me.
Meanwhile, just to make sure you don’t get the idea that the big problem is not there, the points of the deniers still suck as all the recent accusations against the scientists have been shown to be baseless.
http://hot-topic.co.nz/report-clears-ipcc-head-pachauri-uk-paper-apologises/
:rolleyes:
What if there were an ad campaign where people were asked who was committed to getting abortion outlawed, and those who said they weren’t got blown up? I assume you’d be perfectly OK with that and wouldn’t think it was weird at all?
I didn’t say it wasn’t weird, and I didn’t say it was okay. I just think that comparing a failed attempt at an edgy ad campaign about carbon emissions to The Night of Long Knives is a bit over the top.
If it was funny, like these ads were clearly intended to be funny.
Of course the fact that actual anti-abortion supporters have set off actual bombs and killed actual people, it would be a harder sell.
In fairness, so have environmentalists.
As is so often the case, you’re wrong. The Fascisti, the Nazis, the Bolsheviks, and the Maoists all based their support on the working class. Smart, hip, young intellectuals and counterculture types were the kinds of people these movements killed.
I guess we’re all safe now then.:dubious:
Peter Crouch and David Ginola are actually soccer players, although Ginola–now retired–did appear in several commercials for L’Oreal (his gorgeous mane of hair did most of the acting, of course). They’ve both played for Tottenham Hotspur, which is indeed a disgusting, vile and evil thing, and it was disappointing they didn’t all explode. 
Seriously, lighten up.
Having read the thread, I’d assumed they’d been going for a bitter/sarcastic “Take your time, it’s not like we’re talking about the end of the world here,” theme. That would have been fine. Portraying themselves as cold-blooded murderers of children? That’s just fucking stupid.
I’ll say one thing for this video. I’m not bloody likely to ever forget this promotional video. It just keeps running through my head over and over. They’ve managed to secure ad time in my head for real cheap.
Wasn’t it Oliver Wendell Holmes who said that at some point, if compromise is impossible, there is nothing to do but to go on killing?
When it comes to climate change: Yes, if one has enough reason to believe that inaction would doom us to environmental cataclysm, I think it is morally permissible to incapacitate (lethally if necessary) anyone who would effectively impede corrective action. Haven’t seen the video, can’t say about that.
Put it another way: If you are one of twenty persons on a bus going straight toward a cliff; only three of you can even see the cliff; & you have no way to get at you three off the bus; you have the right to take control of the bus; even if it means shooting 17 crazy people who insist there is no cliff. It shouldn’t come to that, but you have to do whatever is necessary. You have to act based on your best understanding, regardless of the delusions of the majority. Even if they say you are deluded.
Certainly in something like climate change, there is no reason to believe the majority opinion informed or right.
So, yes, if any man is certain that AGW is happening & potentially cataclysmic, & he finds that in order to save the world he has to kill AGW deniers until believers (or at least more cooperative sorts) form a working plurality of the electorate, then he is morally obligated to do so in the most effective manner possible, though the law be against him.
But what if he kills to stop climate change & he’s wrong? Well, what if he’s right & does nothing? Better to terrorize one generation for a mistake & kill a few thousand, or a few 100 000 000, deniers, than to lose far more when the tropics become uninhabitable.
Oh, & athelas, we are sure AGW is happening. We may be less sure whether deep ocean methane will accelerate it & cause a cataclysm when we reach a tipping point. But why take chances? Pity whoever made this video probably doesn’t have the guts to kill for this; if the science is right, if there’s even a chance, this is the sort of thing worth killing over.
The problem is, this is the sort of problem for which killing isn’t likely to work, and is quite likely to make matters even worse. So, it’s really almost besides the point whether or not it is justified in the sense you are using, because killing people when it isn’t going to do anything useful is wrong regardless of the worthiness of the cause.
So you want to abolish smart, hip youth? And discourse, or at least the discourse associated with smart, hip youth? That will only make society worse. Truly you are a vile small-minded little man.
Or is it that you want to abolish the discourse of killing. Twaddle. Will your precious little pacifism stop the war in Pakistan? No, of course not. Killing people over global warming is no more ridiculous than killing them over Islam.
Let me be absolutely fucking clear you damn moron: If in fact we are facing cataclysm on a global scale, killing for that is more justified than any action we take to stop the Taliban from its violence against Afghan women. Far more people will suffer & die if the “tipping point” is real.
Now, I’m one of those people who isn’t doing jack right now about my carbon footprint. I admit it. I think there are things that have to be done in the halls of power, not just little “do your part!” actions by the masses. But doing your part can make a difference, even if there are free riders (like me, honestly). If these people think I should die, well, fine. Of such ruthlessness are new civilizations made.
Whether its effect will be good or bad, this video - which, incidentally, was directed by Richard Curtis (Four Weddings, Love Actually) - has definitely “gone viral”, hence it being posted here. I personally think it’s extremely likely to have been released cynically with a prediction of this response. There’s WAY too much money behind it to be a mistake.
Here’s what I posted about it elsewhere:
I do think this will be counterproductive in the long run. Not hypocritical per se, as some of the YouTube comments have said, but where a group analogises the inaction of the apathetic to their necessary demise, it smacks dissenters and waverers in the face with a powerfully smug hegemony.
Of course all publicity’s meant to be good, and they’ll get a stonking huge upsurge in web stats, but will they actually gain supporters who wouldn’t otherwise have signed up? Will they convert the uncommitted, or ultimately just piss them off?
Also a little suspicious. The reuploads of the vids with the controversial critique below are suspiciously high quality. Is [the withdrawal of the initial video and subsequent reuploading on other YouTube accounts] all part of the viral? If so, very clever.
I like the idea of the group, and would have signed up, but they’re so smug that I don’t think I will now.
Smart? No, but if we’re thinking of the same classification of “hip”—well, I wouldn’t mind having a button detonator of my own, sometimes.
The video is a pretty colossal backfire. I think I can see what they intended, but that level of humor and message **FAIL **is something I’m much more accustomed to seeing from rightward sources.
An attempt at English humour it may be, but it’s gone down incredibly badly here. I just heard it described as ‘a filmed suicide note’ for the organisation. I don’t find it remotely funny to be honest.
So what is Hitler Claus bringing for Christmas? A nice Christmas Schnitzel? 
Wishing death is wrong, but I will admit I’ve done it occasionally. I don’t make movies about it. Sometimes people will make a thing like this for laughs, deliberately making it so over the top. So IF the “superviolence” was an attempt to be comical, then no harm no foul in my book.
I made it about a minute in and stopped; too stupid, didn’t watch (ts, dw - I may be using that abbreviation in the future).