Apropos of nothing, what does that have to do with being left-handed?
Originally posted by jjimm
Well, considering what I’ve been called in this thread by you and your pal yojimbo already, I wouldn’t care about that either.
About the ‘coolness’ thing: It’s not just you jjimm. A lot of people on this board think it way interesting to support muslim-terrorists. Anything better than their own pathetic lives, right?
From: http://www.minbzk.nl/wwwaivdnl/publicaties/parlementaire/background_of_jihad
“The cases of recruitment for the jihad with which the Netherlands has been confronted, also in the past year, are no isolated incidents. As it was already concluded in the paper ‘Recruitment for the Jihad in the Netherlands’ in 2002, it is a trend”.
See the last four words?
The fact that it’s now 2004 and above mentioned trend is way UNcool seems to be overlooked around here.
It’s not even me, gum.
And yet, I am not one of them. Carry on believing what you want to believe, however. You’re clearly barking.
Yep, barking. Like a lot of my countrymen. Until we’ll bite.
Some more: From NOVA TV, by Peter ter Horst en Siem Eikelenboom
In the Netherlands there is a systematic distribution of fundamentalist and hate-encouraging texts from extremist Muslims.
Nova (Dutch news program) has done an investigation of the politic Islam in the Netherlands and discovered that in many of the texts there is a call for hate against Christians, Jews, woman and homosexuals.
“I have been given orders to fight the people, to wage war with them, until they confess that Allah is the only and true god and Mohammed is his prophet”, is one of the texts in a book that is currently in use by some schools for children aging 4 to 12 years in the Netherlands. The educational books are from the foundation Al Waqf from Eindhoven that holds connections with Saudi-Arabia.
Criminal code expert A. Ellian from the University of Amsterdam says that the educational books from the foundation Al Waqf from Eindhoven call out for hate. In one of the study books from Al Waqf the teachers are instructed to motivate their “students to behave like conquerors”.
Foundation Al Waqf also has a youth organization where on the internet a cyber-imam answers a lot of questions from young Muslims. Questions on this site are about the way Islam teaches about homosexuality: “… the argument (about the punishment of homosexuality) that is amongst the “learned” is only about the way of how the punishment has to be; some say that the person needs to be beheaded with a sword, others say that he has to be tossed from a high point and then to be stoned”.
Do you see what kids in the age 4 to 12 are taught? To wage war with people who don’t believe in Allah?
Do you see what muslims want to do with homo-sexuals?
I’ll keep on barking on this board as long as there are people here that condone this stuff.
I have yet to see a single post that supports terrorism of any type. You, however, are openly supporting xenophobia. You tar billions of individuals with the views of a minority of extremists. It is a repulsive attitude. I am an atheist, but I have friends who Moslem. That you can encompass people who I know are kind and compassionate in your hate filled view of Islam makes me despair. This thread makes me despair.
Question 1
Yes they probably do want to bred hatred right now. Loonies always do best when unrest rules.
Question 2
Why are they not going door to door to root out scum? Hmmmmm…were they just not “liberated” from a dictator. Was that a situation where keeping yourself to yourself was probably the safest position?
Did you expect “OHH YAYYYYY I’m liberated, that’s it I’m dobbing in the neighbours”?
For Mr and Mrs average Iraqui they have probably gone from, ignore everything in case Saddam find out. To ignore everything in case the Americans or the bombers find out.
These are mums, dads and families trying to live! You blame them for not being secret agents?
Ignorance makes me dispair, InvidiousCourgette. Ignorance and naïvity.
Have you seen Nova? Have you read this article? Do you hate gays?
Sweetie, enough is enough. No more sweet-talking to bigots. It’s no use calling me a xenophobe. I’m not. Your muslim friends are.
gum I don’t think anyone thinks it is interesting to support terrorists. It is very condescending of you to say so though.
What many people realise is that this is not a back and white situation. No political situation ever is.
Yes hostage taking is a horrible thing, but imagine if it were your country. If your neighbours house had been bombed, your fathers workplace had been missiled etc etc. (Someone from the Netherlands should understand how rebels will fight back).
We are a world that is merrily making ‘angry young men’. There is nothing more dangerous then that.
Calm Kiwi: I’ve noticed that you consistently use “then” in places I’d have thought “than” would have been correct? E.g. “There is nothing more dangerous then that.” Is that because you’re a Kiwi raised on wingless birds, kidney pies and sheep fat, or is that actually the correct English usage?
Just because I can speak English doesn’t mean I can write English correctly. If you are saying I have no point because I don’t know my thens from my thans then you may have a point my pedantic twat hating friend. 
Would it be redundant to point out that I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer? I don’t think that means I can’t spout shit though (or give my opinion)…can I? Please?
Oh and I only post after X glasses of wine. I enjoy the moment and feel no pain when told off/ignored etc.
Originally posted by calm kiwi
Someone from the Netherlands is willing to fight muslim-terrorists, instead of kissing ass, alright.
It isn’t my country that’s been bombed, thank the drol. Nevertheless there are muslims teaching hate right here.
From islam-online:
http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=76474
In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, death penalty is to be applied. As for the Shafii school of thought, the homosexual receives the same punishment of adultery (if he/she is married) or fornication (if not married). This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times. Hence, the Shafii compares the punishment applied in the case of homosexuality with that of adultery and fornication, while the Hanafi differentiates between the two acts because in homosexuality, the anus (a place of impurity) may also be involved while in adultery (and fornication), the penis/vagina (which are reproductive parts) are involved. Some scholars hold the opinion that the homosexual should be thrown from a high building as a punishment for his crime, but other scholars maintain that he should be imprisoned until death.
These are the things kids get to learn here.
Oh, InvidiousCourgette, Any muslim women among your friends? Are they still in the happy state of having a clitoris?
Ok. Taa. I was just wondering if that was what goes for actual kiwi slang in that pathetic excuse for a nation your forebears had the great misfortune to stumble across (…and that’s what goes for loving words in that pathetic excuse for a collection of barren islands my forebears had the great misfortune to wreck their ships upon, you should hear what I gently whisper into the love of my life’s ears when I slap her goodnight).
Thank you for your incisive character assesment of people you have never met. Now I will give my assesment of you. You are a prejudicial little piece of shit.
Yes, and as far as I know yes. Female circumcision is unheard of where I live.
From here, you hate filled sorry excuse for a human being.
Sure, like Christmas and Easter originated amongst the pagans of the northern hemisphere celebrating the winter solstice and the spring equinox.
The fact is that male circumcision is universal amongst muslims yet nowhere is it mandated in the Koran. Female circumcision is big in vast parts of the Islamic world. Yet the Koran does suggest that one shouldn’t cut too much around the clitoris because ot might affect the enjoyment for the husband. But like how much is too much? So while it isn’t mandated universally in Islam, it is tolerated, not prohibited like in western countries.
grienspace, did you read the link? I will quote from for it for you in case you did not:
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This mutilating operation is often associated mainly with the religion of Islam. This is incorrect. FGM is primarily a social practice, not a religious one. Female genital mutilation predated Islam. It originated in Africa and remains today a mainly African cultural practice. Some indicators of this are:
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[li]It is widely practiced in countries where the predominant religion is Christianity: Examples are Ethiopia and Kenya. [/li][li]In multi-faith countries, it is often forced on girls whose families follow all faiths: Animism religions, Christianity, and Islam. For example, it is frequently practiced among both Muslims, Christians and Animists in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sierra Leone, and Sudan.[/li][li]FGM was once practiced by Ethiopian Jews (a.k.a. Beta Isreal; formerly known by the derogatory term “Falashas”). This practiced was apparently discontinued some time ago. A pediatrician who works in the Beta Israel community claims that they no do not practice FGM in Israel. Also, their daughters who were born in Ethiopia were not mutilated.[/li][li]FGM has spread to countries in or near Africa (e.g. Egypt) which are Muslim. But FGM is rare or nonexistent in many other Muslim countries. Examples are Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Turkey. Also, It is not done in the Maghreb countries of Northwest Africa.[/li][li]FGM is only occasionally found in Indonesia and other predominately Muslim countries in Asia.[/ul] [/li][/QUOTE]
I can’t deal with any more Islamophobia or hatred. I guess I have never seen a Pit Thread in full flow before. I am off to enjoy the weekend. I am going to the ballet on Saturday for the first time! I hope by then I can put the dirty memory of this place behind me. Peace to you all.
InvidiousCourgetteI’m a fairly tallpiece of shit, thanks, but far from
prejudicial. I don’t know where you live. Must be in la-la land.
From: http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=6851
“The Way of the Muslim” is one of the publications on sale at the El Tawheed mosque. [Netherlands] Earlier this month the mosque was at the centre of a storm about another book available at its open day organised to help combat the mosque’s negative public image.
That book “Fatwas of Muslim Women” says that women who lie deserve 100 blows and the husband’s duty of care for his wife is negated if she refuses him sex or leaves the home without his permission. One of its most controversial aspects is the call for Muslim girls to be circumcised.
A fatwa is an official statement or order from an Islamic religious leader.
Have a lovely day at the ballet, dumbo. I hope it’s not the Russian ballet. Dancers might miss a kid or two, murdered by some muslim-terrorists.
The book that Gum referred to, “Fatwas of Muslim Women” can be purchased at a mainstream religious online store called The Islamic and Middle Eastern Mall for $19.99.
The Malleus Maleficarum can be purchased at Amazon for $14.95, so I’m not sure what your point is.
You got a cite for your notion that extremist Islamic views are in the minority? I’m willing to bet a lot of Middle Eastern folk support the extremists. Might not be doing the killing themselves, but definitely cheering them on from the sidelines and lendig them money, help and encouragement when they can.
If you have a good, objective source on attitudes about Islamists among regular Muslims it would be interesting to see it.