Give it up, guys. Obviously, the clue train left the station an hour ago, and gum is still standing on the platform.
Originally posted by blowero
What a very sharp comment! Have you thought that out all by yourself?
Anything useful to contribute, sirop-brain, or shall we, grown-ups, continue talking?
*btw: Who are the ‘guys’ you’re talking to? *
Mainly Jjim, but also the several others who have joined in arguing with you. They’re wasting their time, because you are obviously obtuse as hell. If I were you, I’d stop embarassing myself.
There’s one major problem with your “anology”. Amazon has no proselytizing objective, other than to make available literature for general education or recreation. It won’t be on Oprah’s book of the month list either.
I searched the first page of Christian bookstores that popped up on Google and none of them carried this book. Lets keep current shall we and quit bringing up obsolete comparisons. If Christian bookstores carried this book I’d be as alarmed as I am that mainstream Islamic bookstores are selling books that promote FGM. Now get your head out of your ass ! This Islamic book is as major a threat to women today wherever Islam is practiced as the Christian Malleus Maleficarum was in 16th century European civilization!
I wasn’t aware the proselytizing was your point, as you didn’t actually seem to make one. Are you saying that all non-generic bookstores share the opinions expressed in every book they make available?
Hell, they’re likely a bit too embarassed to carry it. That doesn’t change the fact that it was a VERY popular and influentiial book. I still don’t think this automatically makes all Catholics into murderers, neither back then nor today. Nor do I think that a book is any more dangerous when sold by a religious bookstore as opposed to being sold by Amazon, other than that the latter is likely responsible for getting it in more hands.
As for the “head out of your ass idiocy”, find a fucking mirror, you gnome nipple.
tut tut tut, blowero, still nothing useful to say? Rather gawk at the cunt with the rest of the guys? You’re a sad sod.
DMC[=dumb moron crap?] The fact stands that this book is used at schools to teach 4 to 12 year olds what hate is.
Anyway, enough with the gay/women hating pencil prickies here.
The threat of violence represented by Islamist terrorism has grown into a considerable and permanent exogenous and endogenous threat . From a couple of specific cases in the Netherlands in 2001 and 2002 it has appeared that a process of radicalisation is going on. The cases of recruitment for the jihad with which the Netherlands has been confronted over the past few years have shown that a violent, radical Islamic movement is gradually taking root into the Dutch society. So the underlying process of radicalisation is not only taking place outside our national frontiers, but also in the Netherlands
Radical-Islamic individuals and groups in many countries increasingly succeed in convincing religious brothers that a society should be established that is in accordance with the ‘pure’ Islam. The strength of their recruitment does not lie in the fact that they can show that Islamic laws and regulations will solve all problems, but in their appealing to the idea that the rights and interests of ‘good’ Muslims are being violated by the West.
Meanwhile, in real life… The second American hostage lost his head, The Briton is about to and for the life of the two Italian women is feared.
Seems like muslim terrorists do it the other way around, huh. Children and women first.
Just what the fuck do you think is the purpose of a book like “Fatwas of Muslim Women”, particularly when sold in an Islamic institution? They aren’t selling “Lady Chatterly’s Lover” there. And they sure as hell ain’t selling the Christian bible !
Did I say that? Fuck, are you dense?! Let me make this perfectly clear for you so that you don’t get further confused. A religious bookstore will only sell materials that the management deem compatible with their beliefs. You will find books asserting adult baptism next to books asserting infant baptism in a Christian bookstore, but you sure as hell won’t find any pornography.
Who the fuck cares ?! Your point is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Well woop de doo.
That wasn’t the point shithead! If a book is being sold and promoted in a religious bookstore you can bet your ass that people think that book has something important to say.
Now get your head out of your ass !
Umm, grienspace It’s nice and dark where DaMoronicCrap’s head is. Leave it be. If it stays there long enough it’ll get infected. Maybe he’ll feel what it’s like to have your clitoris removed with a rusty pair of scissors.
Ah,Gum , that’s so cruel of you ! But that is just your point isn’t it? By ignoring this horrible aspect of Islam, those who choose to stay silent are complicent in the cruelty.
forgive my poor English. It should read “complicit” not “complicent”
I got ya. 
I’d rather let your last sentence stand:
By ignoring this horrible aspect of Islam, those who choose to stay silent are complicit in the cruelty.
Beheading people is not a “political situation”.
I can never get over how every condemnation of outright Muslim savagery gets bombarded by apologists spewing cultural-relativism rhetoric. Make one comment revealing Islamic barbarism for what it is, and it gets stretched into a 4-page thread of foolish infidels defending said barbarism.
Nice try, dickweed.
Why can’t dunderheads like you realize that calling into question those who tar all Muslims with the same brush IS NOT THE SAME as defending barbaric acts committed by some Muslims?
Here it is, in black and white: I condemn those who commit the type of barbaric actions described in the OP. I condemn those who commit other savage actions and use Islam as an excuse for their barbarity.
But that doesn’t mean that i blame all Muslims for said actions, or that Muslims who neither commit nor condone said actions should be blamed for the actions of their co-religionists.
Maybe tossers like you need your own little club. You can hang out together, and chant slogans like “If you oppose the invasion of Iraq, you must support Saddam Hussein,” or “If you refuse to condemn all Muslims, you must be an apologist for barbarism.”
Originally posted by mhendo
Like Evil Captor asked: You got a cite for your notion that extremist Islamic views are in the minority?
And: How many muslims would you say DO NOT condone atrocities like mutilating women’s genitalia?
From: http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?channel_id=1&story_id=6458
For the first time in the Netherlands, a mosque has come out in support of female circumcision, according to a newspaper report Thursday.
The highly controversial statement on circumcision comes from a pamphlet “Fatwas of Muslim Women” provided by the El Tawheed mosque in Amsterdam for its open day. A fatwa is an official statement or order from an Islamic religious leader.
The pamphlet says that women who lie deserve 100 blows and the husband’s duty of care for his wife is negated if she refuses him sex or leaves the home without his permission, newspaper Trouw reported.
There have been many claims in the media in recent years about “imported brides” who are forced by their husbands to stay in the family home — unless accompanied outside by a male relative.
Some of these women, it is claimed, live in total isolation from Dutch society.
The call for girls to be circumcised — removing part of the female genitalia — is likely to cause the biggest outcry so far. If done right, the mosque’s pamphlet claims, circumcision is healthy for both boys and girls.
But unlike male circumcision — in which the mosque claims that for reasons of hygiene, the male’s foreskin can be circumcised — there are absolutely no medical grounds for female circumcision.
The Pharos health centre for refugees said never before has a mosque in the Netherlands come out publicly in support of female circumcision.
Ironically, El Tawheed Mosque organised the open day to counteract negative publicity caused by previous controversial statements made by one of its imams which were condemned as fostering anti-western and anti-woman bias.
On one highly-publicised occasion, an imam referred to non-Muslims as “firewood for hell” and he forbade Islamic women to leave the family home without the permission of their husbands.
“Fatwas of Muslim Women” continues on this theme and states that science has proved men and women differ in “biological nature, physical capabilities and mental capacity”. It says it is unjust to give women the same “responsibilities, rights and duties as men”.
The pamphlet, written by a “prominent imam” and published in Egypt in 2000, was one of the many booklets available at the open day.
Trouw noted “Fatwas of Muslim Women” lacks any biographical information about the author, Mufti Ibn Taymyah (or Taymiyya).
He lived in the 14 century and has been described by Arabism scholar Hans Jansen as an “influential ideologue for militant Islamists”. Jansen has drawn comparisons between Taymyah and Osama bin Laden.
[btw: So I gather it’s okay for muslims to call all non-Muslims as “firewood for hell”, right? ]
When Muslim mullahs and Imams begin issuing Fatwahs left and right, condemning the sorts of atrocities we see being committed in the name of Allah, then I will believe that Islam does not support these acts.
As it is, their silence speaks very loudly.
Where did i say a single word about what the minority or majority of Muslims believe?
The numbers aren’t the issue for me. The issue is that i will place the blame precisely on those Muslims who do condone atrocities, and i will not place blame on Muslims who don’t.
If the percentage of Muslims who condone atrocities is 2%, then that’s who i will condemn. If the percentage of Muslims who condone atrocities is 60%, then i condemn that 60%. It’s a fairly straightforward position, based on the notion that each individual Muslim is responsible for his or her own attitudes about such atrocities.
Sure it is.
While the term itself is a little inflammatory, its intention is no different from that of a Christian who believes that all non-believers are going to hell. And i’ve met plenty of Christians who believe precisely that.
And why should such an attitude worry me, whether it comes from a Muslim or Christian or whatever? As an atheist, i don’t even believe that hell exists, so why should it worry me what some religious person believes will happen to me after i die? And if you’re a Christian, why should it worry you what Muslims think about your eternal fate? Surely your faith is strong enough not to be shaken by their opinions?
Posted by mhendo
So, you think the Nazi’s were a peaceful people? Just one or two condoning atrocities? Those are the ones you’d condemn?
I’m an atheïst.
My point is: We’re not to tar muslims with the same brush, but it’s perfectly okay for muslims to tar all non muslims?
You seem to have a problem with the word some. For your convenience, I recommend the Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary usage, taken from here:
“\Some\ (s[u^]m), a. [OE. som, sum, AS. sum; akin to OS., OFries., & OHG. sum, OD. som, D. sommig, Icel. sumr, Dan. somme (pl.), Sw. somlige (pl.), Goth. sums, and E. same. [root]191. See Same, a., and cf. -some.] 1. Consisting of a greater or less portion or sum; composed of a quantity or number which is not stated; – used to express an indefinite quantity or number; as, some wine; some water; some persons. Used also pronominally; as, I have some.”
You may want to experiment with modifying the word “Muslims” with the word “some.” Or perhaps even “radical” or “non-mainstream.” Or you could even go crazy and string together a whole bunch of modifiers, as in “some non-mainstream, radical Muslims” do whatever it is that is upsetting you so much.
Eva Luna, Jewish agnostic who can somehow manage not to tar all Muslims with the same brush, even if a few nutcases would probably like to do so to her
Who said it’s right for them to do it? It’s not and if there was a muslim poster in here doing what you’re doing they’d be getting the same treatment.
Just because some people are assholes doesn’t mean you have to be.