As I said before, Sir Paul overstepped by dictating what people bring in to eat. They can bring in whatever they want, as long as it’s not against the law. Now, they may not be able to cook it using Sir Paul’s microwave (he has a right to not allow that, I suppose), but I see no reason why they can’t bring in their own food to eat.
I sure as hell would be outraged if I was told that I couldn’t bring in my own food to eat at work. Some of us have medical concerns and allergies as well. It’s unreasonable to not allow people to bring in their own food. Of course, perhaps Sir Paul isn’t banning people bringing in their own food, just meat. Which is a little less extreme, but still stupid.
However, in no way does he HAVE to provide meat for other people. No more than I have to provide cigarettes for those who have nic fits. Hey, if smoking is so damned important to them, they can buy their own. Same here. He does not have to buy meat, especially if he feels that it is morally wrong for him to support the meat industry.
Should a person who eats Kosher be obligated to buy pork for those who do eat pork? Of course not.
And as far as dictating what people wear or don’t wear: almost every damned job does that. I had to wear a shitty kelly green polyester smock at one of my jobs. That, in my opinion, is far worse than being expected to not wear leather.
Actually, I think that AR nutcases like the McCartney are some of the worst bigots (against the whole human race in their pathetically stupid raising of animals to an even or close to even plane with humans) in the world today.
Please elaborate. I am dying to hear a full on argument equating animal rights activists as bigots.
This should be really good.
Oh, and if6was9, what are you smoking there buddy? I think Paul not allowing employees to buy their own food and eat meat in the stadium is a bit over the top, yes. But your reaction is a little…off. A bit over the top, to say the very least.
I just want to say that if I had a chance to work for and with Paul McCartney in any capacity, I’d eat shit if I had to.
Ok, well, I wouldn’t complain about broccoli.
He’s been a bit more militant about it after Linda died, like he was picking up her fallen mantle or something.
His “poor dead wife…” might not be much of an excuse, but if I had to look for a reason behind this decision, that would be the one I’d pick. He admitted somewhere or the other that she was always the one who cared more about it than he did.
He’s a very passionate man and oddly enough, he seems the most passionate about things his Lady Loves are interested in. Or were interested in. Probably he’d go remove all the land mines in the world if he could for Heather Mills.
Either way, if it’s worth to people to work with Paul, they’ll meet his requirements. If it’s not, they’ll find other jobs. He’s probably not too worried about it, because there’s not going to be a shortage of people who want to work on his crew. And since he’s not actually doing anything illegal, and people are entering into contracts of his employments with these stipulations of their own free will, I say get the fuck over it.
To paraphrase Denis Leary, I love vegetarians. More meat for us meat-eaters!
Paul can shove his pompousness up his ass. There’s no freaking way I’d let a boss tell me what I can and can’t eat. I won’t bitch if he caters a veggie meal, but don’t tell me not to bring a club sandwich for lunch. If I had roadies rigging heavy equipment for the show, I’d be damn sure to make them happy and let them have all the protein they want for meals.
And eating a turkey sandwich is so far removed from a few drinks or wearing assless pants that it would insult fools to say that line is foolish. If you represent your company, nobody will know what the hell you ate if you don’t tell them. Or is that part of the raving mad carnivore where people can see the evil in your eyes because you had some bacon for breakfast.
Sometimes these celebs just lose all touch with the real world. Fuck Paul and just about anything he stands for. Shut the fuck up and write some better music.
To you it is so far removed, but is it that way for him? He may feel that meat is immoral. He has every right to not cater to meat-eaters by buying meat for them (a point where we both agree). And we also both agree—it’s absurd of him to dictate what food people bring in their lunchboxes, as long as it’s not illegal.
But just because you don’t think eating meat is a big deal, it doesn’t mean it’s the same for him.
Fair enough. But I still say he’s an asshole for telling his workers what they can and can’t eat. Unless it’s his stadium, he has no legit cause for telling people what their meals will be, as long as he isn’t buying.
Oh, and fuck Paul. Just in case I didn’t get that acreoss earlier.
I’ve been pretty much saying the same thing all along. He is overstepping by trying to dictate what people have in their lunchboxes. That’s absurd and obnoxious.
I mean, I can understand if he doesn’t want to smell meat cooking, or have it cooked in his kitchen. I can understand him not wanting to see big slabs of meat laid out on the table, and scraps of the stuff lying everywhere in the kitchen or other common areas. Others might not understand that, but I can. I can also understand him not wanting to foot the bill for other people’s meat dishes. But to try to forbid people from simply eating sandwiches out of their lunchboxes? That’s none of his business.
If police try to keep X and cannabis out of the concert, they are simply doing their job and upholding the laws as passed by politicians. Whether or not X and cannabis should be legal is a completely different issue. Nor is it a strictly “left” versus “right” issue. Most libertarians, for example, want drugs like cannabis legalized, and yet also follow a “conservative” economic position. They cannot easily be pigeonholed as left or right.
If McCartney tries to keep out meat, there is nothing specifically “left wing” about it at all. As others have pointed out, employers can regulate a whole bunch of things, like what you wear to work, whether you’re allowed to drink alcohol during your shift, etc., etc. McCartney’s vegetarianism may or may not be a result of “left wing” thought, but that isn’t really the issue.
Your analogy is completely off.
He’s not refusing to hire meat-eaters. In fact, the story makes it very clear that some of his employees do, in fact, eat meat. All he’s doing is mandating that they don’t eat meat while in his employ. Completely different from your ludicrous example.
Dimwit.
Yeah, that’s the real issue here: Who’s the nicest Beatle?
:rolleyes:
No, just a Knight.
Please explain specifically which Norwegian labor laws apply to this case. Or any other country included in his European tour, for that matter.
Hmmm, I must say that must be one of the cushier jobs for a lab Beagle.
With regards to MacC I think he has every right to not buy meat for his meat eating staff but is overstepping the line when he won’t allow them to eat meat they purchase themselves but hey, they can always get another job right? I still think the bigger issue is why is Paul MacCartney still in the music business? The guy sucks and has sucked pretty much since the Beatles. YMMV of course, I however just think he’s a tool.
Brief afterthought, I read that Paul has been annoying his Scottish neighbours by allowing wild boar to roam on his estate and has refused to build walls because they ‘will spoil the view’. Now these boar weigh a hefty amount and cause untold damage to the surrounding farmland, farmland owned not by multi gazillionaires like MacC but hard working sorts who can ill afford the repairs needed due to damage by these creatures and all Paul can say is that he doesn’t want to restrict their natural right to roam or ruin his view. Tool MacCartney indeed.
Put me in the “He is completely justified in not catering meat but goes to far by forbidding folks to bring their own” camp.
One point that no one has mentioned yet. The article quotes a local, Oslo, worker as complaining but doesn’t mention anything about the touring staff. The way I figure it, the touring staff went into it with their eyes open. They knew from the start that these would be the regulations and agreed to the tour. No big deal in my eyes, and it seems that they are not the ones complaining.
As for the the local workers, like the Oslo guy: Dude, you have to deal with this for a few days at most! Hardly a major disruption of one’s life. Yes, I agree that he shouldn’t forbid them from bringing their own meat, but really it’s just not that big a deal. It’s not like these guys are forbidden by there direct employers from ever eating meat at work ever every week, all year, all their life. They’ve been contracted by a client who happens to be quite particular about a particular issue but a week later they won’t have to deal with him. And it’s a pretty sweet contract to begin with. The guy mentions that they’re working 8am to 8pm every day- that means plenty of overtime pay. You’ve got a difficult client but he’s bringing revenue to the city (and to you personally) deal with it for a few days.
On the other hand . . .
Another point that no one has mentioned yet: What about vendors at the stadium who sell meat? Are they forbidden to sell meat to concert-goers? On this point McCartney has got to back off! Are these vendors independent owners of their own concession stands? If so, McCartney is depriving them of their livelihood. OR . . . Are the concession stands owned by the stadium? Still, the stadium loses revenue but it’s probably worth it to book a major act that will put people in the seats, HOWEVER chances are some people who would normally be working that night lose a night of work: “Hey, Sven, hotdog stand will be closed tonight. Yeah, McCartney’s being a dick. Anyway, we won’t need you to come in tonight so just stay at home and lose a night’s wages.”
The article doesn’t mention anything about my second point, but I think it’s significant. I wonder what McCartney’s verdict on this part is.
:rolleyes: An early contender for most moronic thread of the week.
McCartney employs these people. He’s the boss. He gets to make the rules. End of story.
No laws are being broken, no rights are being trampled. Anyone who absolutely must eat meat while working can find a job somewhere else. It’s not as if he’s forcing people in a full time permanent position to make a life-long change in their diet.
Like bollocks he fucking does. If, at your job, your bosses turned round and said ‘right, from now on, no meat, because i’m vegetarian’, would you accept that? (assuming of course you’re a meat eater). I think not.
McfuckingCartney’s an absolute dinnerplate eyed fucking knobarse anyway, but this puts him on to another level of wankery. I don’t give a fuck who you are, you do not dixtate peoples eating habits.
And as for the smoking comments, smoking is not a prerequiste to human survival, whereas eating is.
If I was a food vendor at the stadium i’d be selling Linda Burgers. Made from real Linda. There is no end of depth of my hatred for this twat.
I imagine Stella McCartney™ Sausages, those lovable accretions of non-organic matter that could stun a rhinoceros at fifty paces, will be provided to the concession stands. Who could ask for more?
All this talk of rights and quitting seems to me to be beside the point. McCartney is an annoying pillock, and this is just another example of him being an annoying pillock, whether it is his right to be a pillock or not (as, in this case, it partially is). I don’t understand this “put up with it or quit” attitude, either, certainly as far as the tour staff are concerned. There are ways to address a complaint without going for the nuclear option, y’know. And once more, while it may be an employer’s right to enforce vegetarianism, it’s still pretty shitty to use the leverage of continued employment as a means of forcing your beliefs on someone. So what if “McCartney is the boss”? Sure, it means he gets the ultimate decision, but he’s still supposedly human, and his employees are human, so what the hell happened to a little human consideration, eh? Sometimes it’s all the more impressive not to be a jerk when you’re perfectly within your rights to be one.
Ah, I see paulberserker has beaten me to it with more bollocky swearingy goodness. Bumclouds.
