I totally agree. Besides, if the author is right, then Israel must be deliberately trying to attack civilians. Why would Israel do that? Does anyone seriously think that Israeli officials are jumping for joy that 20 Lebanese children died? And if Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, then why are there any Lebanese left alive?
It is clear that Hezbollah and Lebanese people are the same. In the safety and interest of Israel they all must die. How else can you be sure you have them all otherwise. The world will understand ,so go to it. They are afterall terrorists .Men, women give birth to potential Hezbollah, children grow up hating Israel. I cant imagine why. But they all must dieThen everybody will love Israel.
If this scenario displeases you,then the negotiating tables are the only way to go. Israel will go after they are done wiytjh their planned mission.
Interesting. I put the current population of Lebanon around 4 million (aproximate figure). The total casualties seem to be something like 700 Lebanese dead so far in, what? 3 weeks of fighting? Lets use that (I’m REALLY tired but, so forgive me if I’m wrong). That works out to about 233 dead a week by my rough calculation. 52 weeks in a year IIRC. Thats 12,116 total dead per year (if they somehow managed to keep this shit up for that long :dubious: ). If I divide the entire population of aprox 4 million by that summ I get…um, 330,141 years to kill every man, woman and child in Lebanon at the current rate. This of course assumes a few things: A) No breeding! Absolutely forbidden to have ANY children from now until…well, 330,000 years from now, give or take a few hundred. B) The conflict will rage on for that long. C) There will still be a human race on the planet then.
Seems unlikely that your interesting statement is going to come to pass. Hopefully the point is not lost between my tiredness and sarcasm…
-XT
Nope, but it was lost in the middle of the bad math. The actual result of the calculation you were attempting is a bit over 300 years.
It now appears that Isratel has decided Hezbollah is hiding amongst the Christian areas in northen Beirut:
Israel Starts Bombing Christian Areas
Yep, real discriminate those Israelis.
This one is almost funny:
U.S. to Help Train, Equip Lebanon Army
Could have used the training a bit earlier, dontcha think, Rummie?
How very droll. I know that it’s very hard to read posts on the same page of a one page thread while making your drivebys, but you might want to try. I know, I know, it’s a whole ten posts above yours in a 45 post thread. A truly superhuman job of reading, but you might wanna try. Ya know, cuz ignorance is sooooo last year.
A post you overlooked ‘by accident’.
But, I mean… it’s not like Hezbollah could possibly have occupied any Christian villages. It must just be those crazy Israelis striking at random.
Or, you care more about ideology than facts.
Could go either way, I guess.
Or it could be you’re equating two very different things.
RedFury’s cite says:
while yours refers to Israeli attacks on the site of Hezbollah rocket attacks in a Christian village in south Lebanon, near the Israeli border.
So you seem to be rebutting RedFury’s cite by saying, “Hezbollah is attacking Israel from those villages!” But no missiles are raining down on Israel from the Christian region in RedFury’s cite.
RTFirefly, thank you. Precisely the point being made.
OTOH, I freely admit to giving my scroll button a workout when it comes to any of Finn’s incredibly biased screeds.
Yes yes, I know, you are totally unable to refute any factual or logical points, and are only able to repeat words like ‘screed’ and ‘rabid’ as you run away again and again. I know. It’s not something to be proud of, but hey, continue your total inability to do anything other than engage in drivebys. It’s my fault you can’t hold down your part in a debate. Allllll my fault.
And it’s nice to see you add hypocrisy to an inability to debate honorably. I notice that instead of retracting the biased, truth-distorting, context-lacking festering video you dropped on us, you engaged in the same song and dance.
You couldn’t address its factual innacuracies, either, because I’m just so darn rabid. You present a cite which implies that Israel’s attempts at returning land which were met by calls for genocide, were somehow Israel’s fault… and then have the nerve to accuse anybody else of being ‘biased’? Wow.
It must be soothing to blame all your failings in a debate on me. I’m glad you’re fooliing yourself. Just keep telling yourself, facts aren’t facts if I cite them. You don’t have to adress counterfactual claims you made if I point them out. You don’t have to address errors in logic if I point them out. None of your failings are your fault. They’re all mine.
Yes, of course.
Hezbollah has a proven track record of capturing villages, keeping the people inside, and using them as bases of opperations. It is definitely beyond the pale to assume that Israel could have been targeting Hezbollah in a Christian area. Definitely.
Indeed, one might even be rational enough to recognize that since the bombing campaign has largely avoided Christian neighberhoods in north Beirut, that not only is it not ‘indiscriminate’, but that there was a reason for breaking that pattern.
Or we could ignore that the story, vague as it was without specific locations for strikes, seemed to be talking about attacks along the highway that runs north-south out of Beirut. Obviously, coming somewhat close to north Beirut.
Either that or you’re being obfuscatory and deliberately ignoring that red started his most recent bout of driveby linkage by stating that Israel has started to bomb “Christian” areas and suggested that it was indiscriminate. Now, we could be honest and recognize the clear connection that was between implied; that Israel was indiscriminately bombing Christian areas, as Christian areas couldn’t be legitimate targets. Or, of course, you can go for scoring some cheap rhetorical points.
You mean the cite that stated that Hezbollah has a presence in those Christian areas although it’s not as heavy as other areas? The article, however, mentions Jounieh as a ‘picturesque’ town, leaving out the fact that Hezbollah has been active there before of course without the authorizaton of those they bombed.
It would be much more helpful if the article had named actual districts so that claims could be verified, rather than using nebulous geogrpahic terms.
In any case, the fact of the matter is that we have yet another driveby of questoinable utility supporting a point of questionable veracity which implied that the strikes were indiscriminate because they’d hit a Christian area. Defend red fury’s driveby pots-by-implication all you want. Knock yourself out.
I shouldn’t be surprised, as this talking point is making the rounds at sites like Democratic Underground. Had to show up here sooner or later. "Christian areas don’t largely support Hezbollah, so that proves that Israel couldn’t have any valid reason for hitting targets in or near them!"I should just start reading up on DU, I’ll be able to spot these arguments a day or two before y’all repeat them.
Neat!
To elaborate, the rather slopilly written article stated:
Now, if we’re to take that at face value, it is saying that the strike was hardly indiscriminate, but was taking out a logistical supply route between Syria and Hezbollah. We know that Israel targeted the north-south road out of Beirut, so it’s not beyond the pale to assume that sloppily written sentence was refering to that action.
Not only is it disingenous to ignore that, and pretend that it was an ‘indiscriminate’ strike… it’s also somewhat questionable to then jump on the bandwaggon and support the guy making a claim that his own cite shows is a fabrication.
But hey, I guess if he’s unable to support any of his own positions, you can do it for him. Very noble of you.
From The Times on line (another “lefty blog” I’d venture):
bolding mine.
Noble warriors indeed
Dozens Buried in Rubble After Airstrikes
Undoubtably, all of them terrorists – or future terrorrists.
Deliberately ignoring that those roads were used to connect Lebanon with Syria, which has been supplying Hezbollah with weapons.
Tell us some more about how others are biased, oh paragon of objectivity. :rolleyes:
Yes, because the point isn’t that Hezbollah uses human shields making precise targeting impossible and causing errors in the fog of war. No, the point is that in your fantasy world where you’re not spewing bias like it’s going out of style. Oh, please, respond with that quote of an Israeli official who has no connection to the war who said that he thought all the people in left southern Lebanon were terrorists. That’ll sure prove something.
Does your bombastic and sophmoric rhetoric about them all being terrorists serve a purpose other than as a driveby, yet again?
Please tell us more about this lack of bias you possess whereby you suggest anybody, at all, is claiming that they were “all terrorists or future terrorists.”
Never mind that it also closes the only supply route to Beirut – those subhuman Lebanese simply don’t deserve relief aid. Nor, while we are at it, a way out of the living hell Israel has made of their country.
My apologies:
“the point is in your fantasy world…”
Sorry for sloppy editing via MS Word.
Continue with your driveby fantasy-world ranting.
Never mind that it also closes the only supply route to Beirut – those subhuman Lebanese simply don’t deserve relief aid. Nor, while we are at it, a way out of the living hell Israel has made of their country.
I see I hit preview too soon, you didn’t need my authorization to continue with your active fantasy life.
Or that stopping the flow of arms is a military concern and when a nation is under attack their government’s first priority is to halt that attack as it is an absolute military necessity covered under the 4th GC. The necessity in military terms, lo and behold, is not to let the enemy rearm. But being so very free of a blatant agenda and billowing bias, you already know that.
Yay! That’s the spirit. When you let your imagation go, just let it run freakin’ hog wild. Something tells me you don’t have a quote of anybody saying anybody is ‘subhuman’, or that they don’t deserve relief aid. My, you have quite a fertile imagination.
Lacking an actual argument you resort to this vomit about how some are seen as ‘subhuman’. That’s the ticket. Not that the first priority in a defensive war is to stop weapons from flowing to those attacking you… nope, it’s about some people being viewed as subhuman.
Gods it’s lucky we have someone as free of bias as you.
The whole country, eh? A living hell? So all those reports of the northern Beirut suburbs being largely untouched don’t factor into your biased context-ignoring counterfacual flights of fantasy? I never would’ve thunk it.
And, as well, the fact that Israel has laid down clear terms to end the war doesn’t enter into your argument when you’re in full on vomit-up-spin-as-fast-as-possible mode.
Good, good.
At least you’re predictable.
Sorry everybody. I shouldn’t have let myself respond as those posts deserved. I’m definitley frustrated at sort of rhetoric evinced refrains like “Israel bombed roadways used to deliver weaponry to Hezbollah, so they must think that Lebanese are subhuman and should all die and are doing it specifically to deny them medical supplies.”
I should have let the absurdity of it speak for itself, and I really do apologize if I lowered the tone of the thread or provided an unpleasant reading experience for those following along.
I’m off to smoke a nat sherman and take a walk to get some fresh air. I need to take my mind off politics and war for a while, probably a few days at least. Don’t worry, I’ll return to supporting the brutal kicking of puppies at a later date.
Hope everybody has a great weekend.