I thought it would be about Diomedes (who changed his name to Booze Squid something a bit back but some people still refer to him as Dio (sometimes))
Well, duh—what she thinks is wrong with conventional prostitution is that it’s legally designated as a criminal activity.
I don’t know why you’re making such a free-speech issue out of your right to use the word “prostitution” here. It’s clearly inappropriate if the discussion is drawing a distinction between legal commercial transactions involving sex-related activities and illegal ones. In the context of such a discussion, it’s irrelevant whether or not you personally think that all paid sex-related activities count equally as “prostitution”.
What she’s telling you is why your calling it “prostitution” is in some respects misleading, and is perceived as gratuitously inflammatory. And she’s right.
For someone who claims to support the legalization of prostitution—like many people who claim to support the legalization of prostitution, in fact—you do seem to find great satisfaction in referring to sex workers in the most aggressive, contemptuous, disparaging language possible. I don’t understand why advocacy of legalized prostitution and apparent contemptuous hostility toward prostitutes so often seem to go together, but it comes across as kind of creepy.
Some places it is, and some places it isn’t but so what. I couldn’t give a fuck less about what’s technically defined as “legal.” Is prostitution in Nevada or Amsterdam not prostitution because it’s legal? What’s legality got to do with it?
Because I’m being pitted and attacked for it.
I have no interest in legal distinctions. Those are not universal and sometimes arbitrary anyway. It’s inappropriate to tell me how I have to define prostitution.
I disagree that it’s misleading or inflammatory. It’s only offensive if you think tehre’s something wrong with prostitution, which I don’t.
Cite?
I have no hostility towards sex workers or prostitutes. I have hostility towards self-righteous assholes telling me what kind of distinctions and language I have to accept. I have no patience for that kind of insane political correctness.
Anyone who’s going to fuck people up the ass with rubber dicks for money is going to have to accept the fact that other people are going to see it as prostitution. The protestations that it’s not a sex act are ridiculous.
Such sweet, sweet irony…
I don’t think you know what irony means because there is none of it in my post.
And your utter lack of any sort of self awareness just makes it sweeter.
But it was your aggressive insistence in the IMHO thread on using the disputed terms “prostitute” and “hooker” that got you pitted in the first place. Honestly, I think you’re being rather childishly antagonistic right down the line on this issue.
Sure, you have a right to use whatever term you consider technically accurate for the job description in question, just as you have a right to refer to Barack Obama as a “Negro” if you want to. But in both cases I think insisting on that usage after somebody politely objects to it would make the speaker come across as kind of an asshole.
Well, from some things you said in that thread:
Your contemptuous insistence that the prostitute’s rules and preferences don’t matter, because she’s being paid for sex work, is so hostile and belligerent that it’s kind of scary.
Do you really not recognize that paying for the services of a professional doesn’t automatically entitle you to do whatever you want, without regard for the other party’s terms and conditions? Do you think you can do whatever you “see fit” with the time you spend with, say, a doctor, a therapist, a yoga teacher, and not have to “follow instructions” because you’re the “paying customer”? If not, then why do you view a sex worker’s services differently?
I sympathize in many ways with the views of those who feel that the government has no business criminalizing prostitution. But when I come across one of these legalization advocates who seem to relish so strongly the idea that prostitutes are just “hookers” and “whores” who have “no say at all” in the work they do, who are just “supposed to do what they’re told” without the customer “giving a shit what she thinks about it”, that rather oogs me out.
It seems as though it might not be a very good idea to have someone like you alone in a room with a woman who’s agreed to perform sex acts on you in exchange for money, and I can’t help feeling a little relieved that the government currently doesn’t allow it.
I think the ones being childish are the ones trying to claim the bullshit distinction.
It isn’t the same at all. That’s an asinine analogy. “Prostitute” is not an offensive or disparaging word, nor is it inaccurate.
What a load of shit. I never said any such thing. How many times do I have to reiterate that we’re talking about what the JOHN should be required to do, not the prostitute.
I never once fucking said anything like that.
I never said any of this shit. You’re fucking imagining things. Learn how to fucking read with some fucking comprehension, for fuck’s sake. Spare me your theatrical “ooginess.” Let’s make this clear. I DON’T THINK THE HOOKER HAS TO DO WHATEVER SHE’S TOLD. I’M SAYING THAT THE HOOKER DOESN’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL THE JOHN WHAT TO DO. Do you understand that? Have I made myself clear?
First of all, I’ve never patronized a sex worker ever and have not the slightest desire to ever do so. Second of all, go fuck yourself, you self-righteous, man-hating cunt. Your baseless suggestion that I would ever do anything to hurt a woman or that I think that way at all is completely over the line and beyond the pale, and is justified by not a single fucking thing I’ve said.
Dude, you said it in the exact words that I quoted. Maybe you didn’t mean it to come across the way it sounded, but there’s no denying that those are the things you said.
Yeah sure, no misogynistic hostility there at all, no sir. Thank you for the kind reassurance.
I guess you got exactly the reaction you wanted, didn’t you, you passive-aggressive head case. You fucking called me a sex criminal. Jesus would have called you a cunt.
The irony is, one of the things I’ve been attacked for most on this board is for expressing distaste for men who get off on degrading women.
Whine, whine. You know, you’re the one who came storming in insisting on your right to use whatever language you choose about these sex workers, and nobody can dictate to you what you should call them or how you should think about them, and if anybody’s offended about how you express yourself then fuck them, right?
You can dish it out but you can’t take it. You made a bunch of aggressively combative and contemptuous remarks about prostitutes’ customers being “under no obligation to follow any rules”. Well, I told you how those remarks came across to me, so if you’re offended by that then fuck you, right? No, you can be sensitive enough when it’s you on the receiving end of reactions you find offensive, it seems.
I don’t think anyone can deny that, “No, YOU are!” is the height of mature discourse.
So? Neither is “negro.”
Well, you probably shouldn’t have spent so much time saying things like, “I don’t get where the sex worker has any say at all in the matter. She’s serving a customer for money. Why does what she wants enter into it at all?” Because by any reasonable reading of that sentence, you’re talking about what a prostitute should be allowed to do.
You said precisely that: “Since when do paying customers have to follow instructions?”
And you still don’t understand what’s actually going on here! It’s amazing! We’ve got five pages in two different threads, and you still fail to understand the basic facts of the situation! How do you do that?
Congratulations! Now you know how every single person you’ve ever interacted with in any thread about non-mainstream sexuality feels!
You remember that irony I was talking about? You’re soaking in it.
Thanks, Miller and Kimstu, for keeping up with the further spewing drivel and lies while I was asleep. Much appreciated.
Dio: you’ve finally, conclusively proven that you are immune to facts, immune to accountability for your own words, and immune to the idea of common courtesy as it applies to anyone other than you. You’re an idiot, a boor, and a complete blithering moron. Yep, I’m back to name-calling, because reasoned argument makes no impact, and frankly, you deserve no better.
Everybody: thanks very much for your participation in the thread; it’s been pretty damned enjoyable thus far. I’ll be out of town till Sunday evening, so I’ll look forward to rejoining you then. 
QFT.
I don’t see egregious dickishness on Dio’s part in the thread under discussion, but the underlying truth remains. Dio, I find your narrow-mindedness personally very irritating because you claim to espouse values that we share, like concern for the mentally ill and the sexual oppression of women. Yet time and time again your posts on this board devolve into mean-spirited, judgmental rantings that almost exclusively involve your personal opinion and aren’t backed up by any actual facts. Your attitude towards people who have actually been sexually oppressed is condescending at best.
I have a genuine interest in this because you have personally attacked me twice, when I am in fact the sort of person you are allegedly protecting. Out of all the posters on this board, I am most afraid of you, because you hurt me very deeply and apparently have no remorse. I don’t see you as a champion for women, I see you as a bully. You act as if you believe you have greater insight into these matters than people who have actually experienced them. Your attitude toward pretty much anyone who disagrees with you is patronizing and insulting. I hope someday you realize that you are not the Grand Arbiter of what is and is not mentally healthy, you don’t have any special insight into what proper sexual relationships are, and you know a hell of a lot less about these things than people who have actually experienced them. I don’t bear you any ill will, I’m just incredibly frustrated by your inability to listen to others and take in new information and learn and admit when you’re wrong. I don’t know what it will take to get through to you, but I find it all very disheartening.
No, it’s not. But more important than that is to point out that this was the greatest post content/user name combo ever.
Two qestions:
- When have I ever personally attacked you? I honestly have no memory of it. I barely recognize your user name.
- I’ve attacked people who are “sexually oppressed?” Cite?
Yes it is.
The issue was that the John was getting attacked for asking reasonable questions. I was asking why she should get to determine what happens to HIM. Why is SHE making rules for what HE has to do? That makes no fucking sense at all. I don’t get why HE doesn’t have a right to say no.
Well, I still stand by that. Why should the customer be forced to do something he doesn’t want to do? Why am I the only one who thinks consent is important?
I’ve never attacked anybody’s sexuality, ever. Not that kinks are the same thing as sexualities, but I haven’t attacked SMBD or sex workers even in this thread. Basically all I’ve said is that the Johns have a right to ask for clean equipment and shouldn’t be forced to do anything they don’t want to do. Apparently that makes me a very “scary” person. Well, I hope I never become “non-scary” enough to think that forcing people into non-consensual sex acts is something I should embrace as “normal sexuality.”
Remember that thread a while back wherein one very foolish and emotionally overwhelmed young lady pitted her shitty stepdad for sexually abusing her and affecting her otherwise loving marriage and you called her a liar and a troll? That was me. I was stupid for posting my personal business in such a melodramatic way at such a vulnerable time in my life, but it doesn’t erase the fact that you kicked someone suffering when they were down. The pain I experienced as a result of your Jr. Detective bullshit was enough that I didn’t even post here for months after. I don’t think it’s unreasonable if the same Can Do No Wrong attitude irks the hell out of me when you unleash it on other people. Especially because we could really do with more people who value the same things you say that you do.
The 2nd time you personally attacked me was in the meenie thread about her ghost friend, and on reflection I concede that probably says less about your understanding of mental illness and more about your apparent lack of a sense of humor. In fact I think a lot of people’s problems with you would be resolved if you would just lighten up sometimes.
Hang in their Dio !
There’s not one thing you’ve posted that isn’t spot on.
I know you are a good guy, who simply wants to call a spade a spade.