Hi, Dio!

Unless she said it because she was still trying to stay inside the fantasy at that moment, and didn’t actually mean it.

Everybody agrees with you on this, from what I can tell. But there’s a time and a place for everything.

For instance, you do NOT ask the pilot to land the plane so you can make sure your luggage is on board. You do NOT ask the waiter to slaughter the cow at your table so you can see that it’s kosher. You do NOT ask your husband in the middle of sex to check to see if the front door is locked. These are indeed valid concerns, but you address them at the proper time and place.

Let me also add, “You do NOT pay a person to tell you NO and then ask questions where you want the answer to be yes.” This guy appears to have chosen a piss-poor time and place. It cost him his relationship with a service vendor.

Those are analogies, Fish. Dio doesn’t do analogies. And since he also doesn’t understand the dynamic of the actual situation being discussed, he’s trapped in his fortress of being right because none of us can rescue him with our useless, irrelevant analogies or our actual information.

I think “fighting ignorance” is takin’ it on the chin here, folks.

I understand the analogies. I just don’t buy them because I think the fundamental premise that there is any “wrong time” to raise concerns in the context of a trivial sex game is a false one.

Why does he have the right to make her do something she apparently didn’t want to do? If she doesn’t feel like cleaning her dildoes in front of him then he did not have any legal or moral right to insist that she do so. What he did have was the right to say that if she didn’t comply with his request then he would take his business elsewhere. As things happened, the dominatrix forced his hand. He didn’t like her business practices, so she refused to serve him again. She was totally within her rights in doing so. No one is entitled to the services of a dominatrix, it’s not like she’s an ER doctor or something. SHEESH is perfectly free to get his jollies elsewhere.

He has a basic right to be assured of his personal safety. If she doesn’t want to give her customers those assurances, then she shouldn’t be in business.

Well then it’s a good thing she refused his business, isn’t it?

Could be. Not the most professional, though.

So what? It is, literally, her business. Either SHEESH was a rare case, or she’ll soon have no customers because she’s turned all of them away. But she doesn’t have to do whatever some guy tells her to do just because she’s a sex trade worker. If for some reason she draws the line at washing dildos in front of customers then that is her choice, and SHEESH will just have to deal with finding a more “professional” dominatrix.

Yeah, you could lose your dominatrix license by doing what people tell you. He should complain to the local board of health. :wink:

Here’s another in support of Dio. This is just ridiculous. It’s just plain delusion not to call these people prostitutes, and that’s without passing any judgement on prostitutes and their trade.

A Priori Tea, you were a prostitute, so what? If you have no issues with BDSM what do you have against prostitution?

Lastly, I think you people who need to beat/get beaten for sexual gratification are sick and should get some psychological therapy instead of coming here and claiming people are narrow-minded.

I obviously don’t speak for A Priori Tea, but IMO Fuzzy Dunlop comes across as far more coherent and far less creepy than Dio. For example, here’s all of Fuzzy Dunlop’s posts (as of a few minutes ago) munged together; I’ll post Dio’s contributions in a followup post.

Leave me out of this, Idle. Although I’m totally with DtC on this one. ‘Prostitute’ is a PC enough word for a whore, no matter their specialty. And if you bring up shoving something in someone’s ass, you should be prepared for a safety/health conversation, no matter your preconditioned arrangements on who’s making the decisions. It’s her right to back out of the arrangement, but exercising that right because the guy was concerned about his health definitely makes her a douche.

And here are Dio’s contributions. I dunno about you, but I ended up getting pretty weirded out. YMMV, of course.

Dio is not a motherfucker. His mother inserted the dildo into her own ass, he merely instructed her how.

This is my point. The stories are only contradictory if you have a limited understanding of trauma and sexuality. Admittedly, a lot of people are ignorant on these matters. But most people are willing to take in new information, to learn and to trust the judgment of those with direct experience. Instead you decided the satisfaction of outing a troll was worth the risk of rubbing salt in the wounds of a trauma survivor.

I was too emotional in that thread to make a single salient point, but others made it for me, and you refused to concede. You are too intellectually rigid, and sometimes, as then, the result is destructive.

I admit this point seemed a lot more important a few hours ago. I’ve since had good converation and good food with some new friends, and don’t really care anymore.

By the way, I’m not particularly outraged about your positions in this thread, and think you often make good points. I just felt the desire to challenge your perception of yourself as oh so dedicated to protecting women. I know of at least one that you hurt quite badly and felt I might as well speak up.

I have no perception of myself as a protector of women.

Do you have a cite to go along with that broad brush, or are you content to use it on anyone who claims to have an interest in any of the varied BDSM-related spectra?

When did prostitutes become service vendors, and when can we have prostitutes back?

I need to cite my own opinion? Maybe I can dig out a brain-log entry.