Get outcher popcorn, the Donald, expert pundit that he is, is about to comment on the Dem KY primary (that’s the state, not the jelly). 
…and he doesn’t disappoint, calling for Hillary to drop out of the race if she can’t win the state. Jesus, what an ignoramus.
It sucks to have standards and be cognizant that Hillary sometimes doesn’t meet them. Much better to suck her cock and think she’s right about everything? How does that make you any different from the Sanders supporters you deride?
I am voting for Hillary. This is still a dumb fucking thing for her to do.
Do you not think she’s not capable of dumb fucking things? :smack:
Why is it that being a Hillary supporter is equated to being a Kool-Aid drinker? Give us at least a little credit for, y’know, having the capacity for independent judgment.
Well, let’s see. I posted something which I think is pretty terrible and specifically why it was terrible, and one of you replied “Bernie lost. Deal with it” and another of you replied “Oh wow, another example of Hillary Clinton not living up to the litmus test.”
So please explain to me how I should take such nuanced responses that considered my point and then responded with precise and on-point reasons why my criticism is unwarranted?
And you are ignoring the other Clinton voter who did consider that Hillary was not very smart to hitch her horses to this particular wagon whom I responded to in kind.
I guess simply noticing that little exchange would have put a real damper on your confirmation bias and sad-faced persecution issues, so I can see why you didn’t.
Nope, “Bernie lost. Get over it” is *precisely *the level of response appropriate to your demonstrated level of responsibility.
Not saying she’s right about everything – good Lord where do you get this?
I’m just saying that taking money from someone who wasn’t Obama’s BFF is not a crime. It’s not even a big deal. And what she said out of disgust about Obama is not a crime either. This living up to standards nonsense needs to stop. What I care about is what gets done and what doesn’t get done in terms of policy. That’s it. That’s all that matters. Everything else is just noise.
Bernie supporters are ‘smarter’ than we are. They see things the rest of us just can’t see. :rolleyes: It’s not their fault that they can’t keep a college financially solvent – I mean it all should been paid for by the taxpayer to begin with…if we were just smart enough to see this.
‘Persecution issues?’ ‘Confirmation bias?’ That’s hilarious coming from a Bernie supporter. Perhaps you’d like to throw some chairs around. Or maybe make a few death threats to try pressure your way into getting your candidate (who will lose) nominated. (How’s it feel when the shoe’s on the other foot?)
You stereotype me and others like me because of the reactions of others. Sorry, we don’t all fit into your cookie-cutter definitions. Two people don’t generalize to millions.
I guess you’re still not sure this is a Clinton thread. You suck at staying on topic.
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The difference between you and me is that I’m able to denounce Sanders and his supporters, whereas any criticism of Hillary is somehow circumspect.
Newsflash: I was critical of Hillary long before Bernie was in the race. And I will remain critical of her for valid reasons even when voting for her.
I’m just pointing out the holier than Bernie supporters or are you like to cultivate is bullshit. You are just as stereotypical and just as pathetic in the exact same way.
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I can’t help but notice that unlike other candidate threads, we keep on starting Clinton threads and they just sort of end due to lack of interest. This is the third one I believe. Hopefully we can keep this one going till November.
I’ll just start my argument with the fact that her qualifications are overrated, she’s a serial liar, she’s quite unlikeable, she’s a bad politician who wishes she was better at being a politician rather than wishing she could just talk straight with us, she’s the biggest flip flopper in history, having reversed almost all the significant stands she took in the 90s and even many from her 2008 campaign, and yet despite all that, she’ll probably be a decent President. She cares about the details of governance, she’s tough as nails, she works well with the Republicans despite their public enmity, her history is that of a moderate, and she combines the best aspects of caution and decisiveness, which is a really tough needle to thread and few can pull it off.
In all the drama about her candidacy, I’m amazed that few ever talk about just how complicated both her and her husband are. They are a really fascinating subject that should be able to keep a thread going for the next 30 years, yet most people just focus on whether they like her or not or whether they can trust her. Which to be sure, are important issues, but there’s so much more of a story here.
Bullshit. Anyone is able to denounce him. Just because I’m a Hillary supporter doesn’t mean I can’t see and speak the truth. Bernie supporters may refuse to listen, but that means nothing to me. I’m not here to convert anyone.
I was using the exact same tool you just did to make you see how unjust it is. I’m sure you don’t like that, but that’s just too fucking bad.
Yes, we’re all aware of the same old partisan line that’s been used against both Clintons for nearly 25 years. We don’t need to hear it again for the millionth time.
Yes, it’s a Clinton thread. That includes asking those who are hurting her and helping Trump, including Sanders as well as his dead-enders, why they’re doing it.
So, why *are *you helping Trump?
Which one? It’s not like her lefty attackers haven’t been using the same arguments for 25 years. How is their critique any more valid than the right-wing critique?
Cite away.
In many ways, I think of her like Nixon. I think she lacks the natural charisma of a politician, and is probably awkward in crowds. She may also harbor lots of resentments towards specific power brokers in Washington. But I also think that she is a policy wonk, inspires loyalty among her closest advisors, is (like her predecessor, Obama) a pragmatic progressive, understands governance, and will make an excellent President (unlike Nixon, I don’t expect her to be so paranoid that she will start bugging her opponents’ offices…at least, I hope not).
Where I disagree with you is that you say that “her qualifications are overrated” and that “she’s a serial liar.”
I do not take the position that she is somehow the most qualified candidate in history. But I do think that she has had a close, inside look at a successful 8 years in the Clinton White House, and I think she has developed an exhaustive view of the world in her time as Secretary of State. She also went into the Senate, so she has a feel for the legislature from the inside. That’s a pretty wide breadth of experience, and I expect that (far more than anyone else who has run in this election cycle) she is ready to hit the ground running on day 1.
The bit about lying just strikes me as a reputation, and not supported by substantive fact. Like every public figure, I’m sure she has stated inaccuracies (maybe because she was tired, didn’t remember, or just because they all have ridiculously huge egos…I’m not sure), but I don’t see evidence that she always lies, or that she is deserves to be called dishonest or crooked. I sincerely can’t think of any Clinton scandal that is not either a) overblown, b) assuming facts not in evidence, or c) an indictment on her husband, which is somehow supposed to make her responsible.
Unlikable due to Karl Roves hate machine constantly churning out lies about her. Check Snopes some time.
Liar? No more than any other professional politico.
Cite on the flip flopper? There’s a difference between *changing your viewpoints over decades *and flip-flopping in a short period, like the Donald.
I’ll bet if you checked her on Politifact her “Flops” would be a normal %.
Going back and watching the talk shows from 2008 reminds me just how much fun Obama supporters had attacking her qualifications themselves. Chris Rock said that he’s been married 10 years, doesn’t mean his wife is funny too. Jon Stewart asked a few guests what exactly her qualifications were aside from one full term in the Senate. If they were Clinton supporters, they hemmed and hawed without getting specific, if they were Obama supporters they just chuckled with derision.
Of course now she’s been Secretary of State, so her resume looks Presidential now. But no candidate is as qualified as her and her supporters claim her to be. This idea that she has 35 years of relevant experience because she married a particular person has always been absurd.
I actually try to avoid using right-wing arguments because they’ll gain no traction on a liberal dominated board like this one. I just remind people of the attacks many of their own compatriots made. I’ll be using Bernie Sanders’ hits on Hillary for years to come.