Hillary fans don't get it.

A Trump Supreme Court wouldn’t stop at marriage or reproductive rights; they’d go much deeper into challenging all of the legislation from the Progressive Era going forward. Labor rights? The right to collective bargaining? Worker safety standards? Minimum wage laws? Social security? Medicare? A Trump court would finally have the chance to repeal the sins of FDR.

A republican party, bankrolled by billionaires and now represented by one, would be anti-democratic. They would go even further - challenging current conventions on things like basic equal protection under the laws. Those conventions we now take for granted were once not at all conventions, but controversies. They would again become ‘controversies’ in the eyes of a conservative-leaning court system.

U have ur opinion, I have mine. U can keep yours, I’ll take mine

This is much my thinking. While I find Hillary contemptible as a person, at least she can be counted on to preserve the progress we have made. Trump, and the GOP as a whole, are actively and explicitly dedicated to annihiliating our freedoms and installing fascism, racism, sexism, and theocracy as the order of the day. A Clinton presidency, no matter how unappealing, is still better than the candidate who explicitly wants to murder journalists and deport 11 million people.

No more than people like you. You know, the ones propagating this myth.

So, you’re a straight white guy who only cares about your money. I’m surprised you didn’t come out for Trump earlier.

What myth? These are explicit things Trump has promised and the platform of the GOP as a whole. You would have to be blind, deaf, and dumb to listen to them and come to any other conclusion.

I don’t recall any democrat promising to deport 11 million people, build a giant border wall, make all Americans medicine subject to Christian fundamentalism, or ban an entire religion from entering the US, or threaten to kill journalists. These are EXPLICIT things the Republicans have promised. In what possible sense is this incorrect?

Trump’s current stated positions don’t interest me nearly as much as his temperament. He seems to fly off the handle and say whatever damn fool thing comes into his head, in real time, without thinking it through.

You go on to say “I’m sad about the mass deportations and the incompetent foreign policy to come.” Yeah, one of those things is not like the other; we can’t afford an incompetent foreign policy; it doesn’t belong in the same sentence as this or that position. If you’re already granting that inadequacy, then I’m mystified as to how anything else matters; you mention a position that saddens you – but I’d reject a candidate who offered positions I like, if I believed him incompetent.

Not an example of racism, xenophobia, etc.

Not an example of racism, xenophobia, etc.

Tell me more.

Xenophobia is an irrational fear. There is nothing irrational about this considering refugee violence in Europe.

…what? Source?

The irrational part is thinking it will make a whit of difference.

Viktor Orban’s fence says you’re wrong.

Fagin?

Banning a billion people, the overwhelmingly vast majority of whom are not terrorists, to prevent the possible entry of a few terrorists? That’s completely irrational, not to mention un-American and unworkable.

If it were on a whim or for no reason at all, yes, it would be irrational, you are right. But it’s not without reason. Migrants commit a lot of crime. There’s this too.

Sounds to me like you are conflating two different Trump policy trainwrecks (easy to do, there are so many).

Oh! You got me! I mentioned the fence when I really should have mentioned that he’s banned Islamisation. You’re good!

No, really, do you actually have a counter point?

But he didn’t say he’d just ban Syrian migrants – he said all Muslims. So tourists, family members of Americans, etc. That’s irrational and bigoted (and un-American, in my opinion).

…do only Syrian migrants commit crimes or something? What the hell does their country of origin matter?

Do you think of tourists, and people visiting family, and people traveling for business, as migrants? Because citing any information about migrants only would apply to migrants, and Trump has proposed banning all Muslims, whether they’re migrants or not (and the vast majority of Muslims who travel to America are not “migrants”).

And Abdelhamid Abaaoud was born in Belgium.

Based on what Manafort’s said, I’m sure he’ll “soften it” to ban migrants only until a long term solution can be created.

The number of crimes committed by migrants increases when 1.5 million migrants are added to the population? What a scoop!