I would assume that it depends on the state. The demographic data is no doubt accessible, should someone less lazy than me want to access it.
(And then there’s the caucus factor, of course.)
If you are a independent, sure your choice, but real Democrats are supposed to be above individual candidates and vote for the good of the party, like Republicans do. I’m pretty sure most sensible Republicans knew Dubya was an idiot in 2004, but would rather have their idiot in office than any Democrat.
She was quoting the AP poll. What did it say? My guess is that it said something like working class whites, and she substituted hard working for working class. I’m going to give her a pass on this unless there’s more info that I’m missing.
I think you’re missing her stunningly inartful phrasing, which suggests that the terms “hard-working Americans” and “white Americans” are synonymous.
What about honest-to-gosh real Scotsmen? (And you’re wrong: I know many Republicans who preferred their idiot to the specific idiot the Democrats were running, but who would and could have cast their vote for any number of other Democrats, had they been on the ballot.)
Look, it is an inarguable fact of human nature that the greater an incentive we have to do something (that is, the more it benefits our perceived self-interest), the more likely we are to be driven to do it. People will stay home from the polls if they’re not excited/enthusiastic about either candidate (or any of the other races and issues on the ballot, of course). There’s nothing particularly objectionable about that.
Well then, what the hell is she? She hasn’t been making the slightest bit of headway catching Obama for months, but is still attacking him, claiming he can’t do the job, claiming he can’t win the nomination, lobbying her superdelegate buds, and trying to get delegates seated from a state where nobody campaigned and where his name wasn’t even on the ballot.
I’m now convinced that all she cares about is having her name on the ballot, the good of the party be damned.
I would think the current state of the country, the war, etc., would be reason enough for any sane non-Republican to want to get out and vote this year- if people need the further impetus of a candidate with the same color skin as them to vote in the current climate, then they’re daft, but I agree 100% that many will not vote at all if HRC gets the nom, sadly.
Does anyone think, right or wrong, if everything that has surfaced about Obama would have come out before the first primary, that he would still be in the lead? I don’t. We shouldn’t go on what the country thought in February, we should go on what they think now.
Again and again, recent polls have shown that Obama’s supporters are more willing to vote for her than vice versa. I think both numbers are inflated, though, and once it’s a one-on-one election a very big majority of either candidate’s supporters would vote for the other.
If her percentage of the white vote has held steady for two months, or even decreased a tiny bit Tuesday, how is Obama losing support from that group? Yes, he probably got a larger portion of the white vote in the states he won. CNN doesn’t have consistent data (it has racial breakdowns for some states, but not all). It looks to me like he won a slim majority of the white vote in Wisconsin. On the other hand, she won in Alabama by an overwhelming margin and edged him out in Georgia and Connecticut. That’s enough of a random sampling for my tastes.
Since she actually doesn’t win the white vote in all states, I think she is trying to narrow the category down to “he doesn’t win working class whites,” to which I can only say “Who gives a fuck?” There are a bunch of demographic groups she hasn’t made any progress in either. Why is that group more important?
Wee Bairn, the whole point of having an extended primary process is that it simulates an election campaign, where things are going good for you one week and then bad the next because of stuff you didn’t know about. If the only thing that counts is what everybody thinks this week, I say fuck it, let’s just do a winner-take-all primary in Kentucky. There’s no logic to it, but what the hell, right?
I, um, didn’t suggest that “people need the further impetus of a candidate with the same color skin as them to vote in the current climate” at all. Hell, if anything, that’s what Hillary is saying right now.
I love the wide-eyed ingenuousness, the plausible deniabilty, of “right or wrong.” You crack me up.
Yes.
Surprised you even raise the question.
What if today something about Obama surfaced, such that polls showed he was way behind McCain and HRC was tied with McCain- should the party superdelegates go along with what happened months ago, or go with the candidate that gives them the best chance of winning?
And with my basic math, taking into account states have different ethinc percentages but most are predominantly white, and the Hispanic and black is equal and cancels out, 60% of the white vote, which its reported she’s getting now, would have given her most states. Iowa is 98% white or something, 60% of that would be a crushing victory for one example. My point is many of the whites who thought Obama was such a novel and great idea months ago are changing that in light of what’s been put out about him in recent months, factual or not.
BrainGlutton, based on the recent primary results, why would you think that?
I can’t believe she would frame her case in terms of race so blatantly. If her point was that she has tapped into support that traditionally goes to Republicans, why just not say that?
I don’t think she was consciously attempting to equate hard-working with being white. I do, however, think she was trying to appeal to the public’s patronizing soft-spot for uneducated, working-class whites, though. Those as the real Americans, ya see (wink, wink). Hard-working, salt-of-the-earth, homegrown white folks who are watching their jobs go to furriners and Mexicans, and we gotta let Mama Bear Clinton be the nominee, ya see. We gotta. Cuz they’re gonna vote for McCain. They won’t vote for Obama because he’s…well, you know.
Political pandering to this demographic is nothing new. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this displayed in such a racial way before, though.
This may sound elitist of me to say, I dunno, by why is this last point something to brag about? Is she still playing the anti-intellectual role? That’s the only thing I can come up with.
No more so than the eventual obliteration of Iran, but there isn’t a hurdle too high or too wide for that woman to scramble above, around, or go through in pursuit of this office.
Well, I just gave the lazy, elitist negro another $25 handout, and I’m from a big blue state, too!
Haven’t you heard? Because Hillary won your state in the primaries, Obama is unlikely to win it in the general election. Your $25 is therefore worthless.
Worthless!
Equally worthless (but not uninteresting) is the fact that I have seen Obama stickers all over the damn city for the past two months, and not even a single Hillary bumper sticker. While this is not a representative sample, I do get out quite a bit.
Besides the fact that it’s a bald-faced lie that Obama is ‘weakening’ with this demographic, what was her point? That uneducated whites will not vote for Obama but will vote for her in the general? So the party should jettison the lazy negroes and replace them with the hard-working whites?
Wait-- the fact that Obama IS strengthening his support with that demographic (which, btw, usually votes Republican) isn’t besides the point. It’s the point she was supposedly trying to make. What a divisive, self-centered biotch.
I’m not giving her a pass on this – I’m sick of this divisive, race-bating crap.
I’ll say she’s a racist. Know why she hasn’t even attempted to court the AA vote? Because she’s a racist. She believes, like her rabid racist followers (see: hillaryis44), that African Americans will “only vote for their own” and are “hijacking our election process” with their high turnout. Because they aren’t fully fledged legitimate CITIZENS who get to make their own decisions about whom to support for elected office like REGULAR PEOPLE.
The mild use of expletives and caps in no way indicates the rage I feel over this. If she’s not a racist, then her pandering, code-talking racist BULLSHIT RACEBAITING has led me to believe I could NEVER support her. I won’t stay home on election day, because I believe in exercising my privilege to vote and want to support downticket democrats. But I’ll write in my smelly gray poodle’s ass before I vote for her. This race baiting disgusts me so much I feel like vomiting.
I’m going to leave aside the race issue for a moment–though I don’t think it was accidental. I’m so sick of this meme that Bud-drinking, small-town, good ol’ boys and girls are the only Americans who work hard. What, the rest of us egghead librul elites pick our money off trees? True, I have a college degree and work in an office and not a coal mine, but I bust my ass at my job. My husband works 50 hours a week as a teacher. When he went back to school, I worked two jobs, so that we wouldn’t have to take out loans. The idea that we don’t know what it’s like to work hard makes me ill.
Why can’t it just be that this is her mindset:
“this country is on a path to ruin and despair, and I love my country and I know that I can bring it back to where it was under my husband. I know that this Obama guy is a smart guy and means well but I truly feel that he will not be able to turn the country around like I can, and if I have to smear him and throw him under the bus for the good of everyone in the country, then I’ll do it. if I have to make a lot of people think I’m a evil cunt to get where I need to get to put things back on track, that’s a small price to pay and a sacrifice I’m willing to make…”