Hillary Rodham Clinton - how should I put this?

The BBQ Pit
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OK.

  1. Hillary is an unemotional ice robot who can’t show her emotions. Who’s going to argue with THAT?.

  2. She was somber or depressed or whatever. Like nobody else was? Maybe hers is the currently-approved Clintonian way of “feeling your pain”?

OK, let’s stipulate that you can’t tell anything from from how she presents herself in public (who’s going to argue with THAT?). How about her words? Check out her official press release at http://clinton.senate.gov/news/2001/09/2001912D06.html. She says all the politically correct things about the suffering of the victims and the heroism of the firefighters and rebuilding New York (this from a NY senator, remember), but NOT ONCE does she condemn the attacks or the attackers. (IMHO, the paragraph about “We will also stand united behind our President…” doesn’t count as a forthright, plain language, on-the-face-of-it condemnation of Islamic terrorism.)

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Oh my God! Extending condolences to victims and their families while neglecting to condemn the terrorists must mean she’s trying to destroy the president!

So, what’s it like on that planet of yours? Does the lack of oxygen kill as many brain cells as they say it does?

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minty green, was that addressed to me? I didn’t say anything about “trying to destroy the president.” What I did say was that so far as I can tell (probably due to all those brain cells dying over here on Planet VRWC), Hillary hasn’t forthrightly condemned the terrorists. But I take your point – one press release, one topic.

Oh yeah. Did Hillary go to Barbara Olson’s memorial service?

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Why the fuck should she have gone to Barbara Olson’s memorial service? What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING, you idiot?

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First of all, if you didn’t watch the speech (fresh perspective, my left ass cheek!) and you didn’t see her blatantly roll her eyes, than shut up, because you don’t know what you’re talking about, for chrissakes! “Wasn’t that a great episode of Buffy?” - “Well, I didn’t see it but it really pisses me off that you think it’s great.” Are you defending her for shits and giggles, or do you want everyone to know that you clearly have no idea what you are commenting upon?

Moving along. I am a seriously Liberal Democrat. I voted for Gore, I’ve hated Bush in the past, and I don’t even particularly like him right now. I wouldn’t vote for Clinton for president until she acquired more experiance, but I like what she has to say, I liked her actions during Bill’s term, and in general, I support her.

But Clinton looked pissed throughout the whole speech. The camera hit her three times, and the first time she actually looked as though she was smirking at something the Senator next to her said and flicked a booger or something from her nose. The second time, she rolled her eyes as she golf-clapped and smirked. I can’t remember the third time, but I remember thinking, “Jeez, what is her problem?” She had the same expression on her face that millions of teenagers have during the Alumni Ceremony of their high school. I was honestly surprised that she seemed so juvenile and childish during the speech.

Her dodge tactics on Larry King were silly, too. It was as if she were going through the motions. I didn’t listen to closely because most of it was rhetoric, but she did very little to give any “we are united, we will pull through” vibes, which is what I (and a lot of people, I think) want right now.

I can’t decide what’s worse - people automatically skewering her because she’s Bill’s Democratic wife or those who automatically defend her because it’s always her vs. the Republicans.

As a Democrat, I was disappointed in her behavior both in the interview and duing the speech. John McCain, who I am neutral toward, managed to convey much more concern, caring, and authority during his Leno interview, and he even managed to answer a few questions candidly. I have not seen Clinton do any of the above.

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Wowie Kazowie. I agree with the last two posts, Nacho & Minty. However, didn’t catch the nose action.

I do not like Hillary Clinton. I did not vote for her. But she has said all the right things in her recent speeches and talks with the press. Yes, as I have stated she has been strangely emotionless. But the content has been fine. To suggest that she does not condemn the people who killed thousands of her constituents I think is beyond absurd.

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I actually remember thinking, is it really dry in there or something? I saw about seven senators playing with their noses and flicking them about, finger to the wind.

You’d think they’d teach you not to play with your face in Public Speaking 101.

Any government officials have any ear wax they wanna irrigate? Maybe they can floss next time the camera’s on them.

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Hey, thanks, minty green, for breaking my cherry as far as being the first to flame me in four letter words. But I defer to you as being the expert on fucking nuts – what are you up to now, about 4-40 size?

Also, I do admire your debating style, which is right out of the Clinton War Room playbook: invent something your opponent DIDN’T do or say and then take off on any convenient tangent from there.

In case you didn’t know, or conveniently forgot, Barbara Olson was the wife of the U.S. Solicitor General who died on Flight 93 when it crashed into the Pentagon. But I guess she doesn’t count, what with being a conservative and the wife of a Republican and all.

Instead of asking why some of us dislike Hillary (and no, I don’t hate her), why don’t you ask why you have such a desperate need to love her?

I can say one good thing about Hillary – at least she’s not Barbara Bell (I bet you don’t know who she is, do you, minty green?)

I am going to quit this thread now. There are more important things than Hillary right now, although I doubt she agrees.

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Geez, shoot myself in the foot, why don’t I. I meant Barbara Lee. Even I don’t know who Barbara Bell might be.

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drive-by jerk:

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In case you didn’t know, or conveniently forgot, Barbara Olson was the wife of the U.S. Solicitor General who died on Flight 93 when it crashed into the Pentagon. But I guess she doesn’t count, what with being a conservative and the wife of a Republican and all.

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Errr, I didn’t go to her memorial service either. Am I evil? Oh, no, I’m not a Senator. I guess every Senator but CLinton was ther, huh? No? Then the question stands–what the fuck difference does it make that Clinton wasn’t there?

Choad.
Nacho:

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I can’t decide what’s worse - people automatically skewering her because she’s Bill’s Democratic wife or those who automatically defend her because it’s always her vs. the Republicans.

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Gotta be one or the other, huh? Anyone who’s not actively against her must support her? Nope, don’t buy it.

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Oh, poop. Sorry 'bout that.

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Trying to have the last word is one of my major character flaws. I’m working on it, really I am, but…

Look, Andros, the Solicitor General is part of the Government. Hillary is part of that same Government. It would have been common courtesy for her to go to Olson’s service. If the spouse of someone you worked with had died in New York or Virginia, wouldn’t you try to go to the service?

BTW, minty green, just as a pre-emptive strike, I didn’t make an assumption that you were a man rather than a woman (I’m too lazy to go look up your profile). Note that I didn’t say anything about male genitalia. Have you read “Smilla’s Sense of Snow”?

Now I really am out of here.

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Feel free to interpret it any way you like. You toss around stupid insults,expect to get stupid insults back.

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Barbara Olson would have risen from the grave in indignation if Hillary had shown up at her service. Her attendance would have overshadowed the memorial itself. I doubt there is anyone who has been more publicly hateful of Hillary. Her biography was an almost unprecidented work of pure viciousness and fabrication.

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You are truly a worthless piece of shit, whiffet. How many memorial services were there last week? How many government employees died, and how many of their children and spouses? How much work does a New York Senator have to do in a week when terrorists kill thousands of her constituents and incapacitate Manhattan?

In light of those circumstances, why the fuck should Mrs. Clinton have gone to Barbara Olson’s memorial service in the first place? I swear, had she gone, you would probably be bitching about the nerve of the woman to show up where she wasn’t wanted.

Jesus, somebody send jarbabyj this way to give this idiot the epithets he deserves.

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Thanks for the orignial posting.

Hillary is an evil bitch who has cursed the lives of those who have had much to do with her.

She is a destructive “user” who cares only for her own power .
I could go on endlessly, but you get the point.

What I wonder is how anyone can admire her. What I have concluded is that they admire and imaginary Hillary, who is a figment of their imagination, rather than the real hillary, in all her evil replendence.

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Nope, you can be neutral, just like me. I’m not against her, I don’t support her, I didn’t appreciate her blatantly rolling her eyes and acting as bored as humanly possible at a major political speech.

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Ah, but you see beagle, I make an effort to ensure that my “stupid insults” are well-formed and intelligible.

Big kiss.
Since no one has been able to answer my question yet, I’ll ask you, berdollos: Why do you hold such anger and hatred for someone you do not personally know?

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Fair enough. And in response, I 'll say that I’m not against her, I don’t support her, and I don’t understand why people persist in their drooling hatred of her. Further, I don’t understand making character judgements based on something as silly as where her eyes were during a boring speech. God knows, there are other things to be concerned about.

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Thank you for pointing that out, Ned. If she had gone to Olsen’s funeral, it is almost a sure bet that many would have interpreted it as dancing on her grave. There was no love lost between these two women.

stoid