Exactly. That’s life. I can remember not even trying out for solos in jazz band or applying for promotions at work because everyone knew who was going to get it. Why do all that work? And, plenty of people could have jumped in had something happened to Clinton. Bernie was never close after Super Tuesday and was hopelessly behind after getting thrashed in NY.
Wow, this is really fucking unhelpful. Circular firing sqaud in full effect. Let’s all remember that the candidate we post about today may be the one we’re knocking on doors for in October.
Yeah and us Bernie supporters are the toxic, closed minded ones.
You can move the overton window and still win elections. Not sure why you think you can’t. Also I’m not sure why you seem to think Sanders will lose, or progressives will lose. Progressives hopefully won’t be like the tea party who happily picked candidates in the primary who lost their general elections. The tea party cost the GOP probably at least 5 senate seat pickups between 2010 and 2016. Which is good and I’d hope progressives don’t do the same. I will happily pick someone like Joe Manchin over a progressive democrat who would’ve lost the senate election in West Virginia.
But promoting centrist candidates who are scared to use the power that voters give them has its own risk. You run the risk that people won’t donate money, volunteer or vote for someone who is tepid and passive. In 2008 65 million people voted for democrats in the house election, in 2010 only about 40 million bothered to show up. So about 25 million democrats stayed home and didn’t vote. By comparison only 7 million republicans stayed home between 2008 and 2010. The 2010 GOP wave election wasn’t because people became republicans, it was because democrats didn’t motivate their voters to show up and 25 million stayed home.
If I were you, I’d accept that the party is changing and make the best of it. Its moving towards a grassroots, more liberal, activist party.
Oh? Because someone finally calls out Bernie it’s a circular firing squad? I’m glad Bernie is FINALLY getting the scrutiny he needs.
The Washington Post also called out Bernie for his hypocrisy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-a-critic-of-secret-money-in-politics-declines-to-call-on-a-group-supporting-him-to-disclose-its-donors/2020/01/20/e58f813e-27f8-11ea-ad73-2fd294520e97_story.html?outputType=amp#click=https://t.co/rHNNrkxg56
I’m well aware that the Bros see a conspiracy everywhere. But, finally Bernie is being vetted and I don’t think most non Bernistas are going to like what they see.
That is my impression too.
But Sanders did vote for the ACA even though that was at best a half measure. He also voted for Dodd-Frank which didn’t go far enough.
So I’m not sure why people are saying he won’t compromise, he has a track record of voting for half measures rather than turning them down and getting nothing. Half a loaf is better than nothing.
The big thing is the democrats pre-compromise, and they pre-compromise to win non-existent and useless ‘bipartisan support’. The democrats did that with the ACA. They gave up single payer and a public option before the debate even started, then they gave up even more in the hopes a few republicans would vote for it, and they never did.
Being submissive and incompetent is just as bad as being uncompromising. Neither is good for a legislator.
Bernie has a stellar record of endorsing losing candidates. So, he’s got that in common with the Tea Party.
And, no, a few deeply in debt college students/grads tweeting away from Mommy’s basement doesn’t indicate that the Democratic Party is being taken over.
Six figure donations aren’t nothing to sneeze at, but they aren’t really big ticket funding either like the Koch brothers whose network raised $900 million in 2016.
And Sanders said he’d be happy to end the practice if everyone else ends it too.
If Sanders wins the nomination, will you vote for him in the general? If not, you are worse than the people you criticize.
He endorsed Hillary after losing to her so…story checks out.
ActBlue is raising a billion dollars a year in small donations. Small donors are outraising the Koch network by a huge margin. The new generation of democrats are trying to show democratic politicians you can succeed w/o corporate funding. Especially if democrats pass laws empowering small donors (making small donations a tax credit, matching contributions, etc).
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/477496-actblue-says-it-raised-1-billion-for-dems-in-2019
The % of democrats who consider themselves liberal keeps growing. Going from 25% in 1994 to over 50% by 2016, and its still growing. Last time I checked I believe it was 55% who are liberals.
You can scream all you want, the party is changing. Bernie and AOC are just the start of a democratic party that is more aggressive, more organized, more grassroots and more liberal.
Wait, I thought it was just the BernieBros who would betray the party and stay home in November, or vote for Tulsi or whoever, if their guy didn’t get the nomination!
Now you’re telling me it’s more the other way around, that it’s the centrist Dems who’d pull the disappearing act if they don’t get the nominee they want!
But we’re supposed to be nice to those centrists, while it’s OK to dump on the BernieBros.
Do I have this right? I’m sooooooo confused!!
He’ll probably vote for Sanders, but not after 15 more threads detailing how awful Sanders is and how delighted he’ll be to see him fail. Check out any of his Corbyn threads.
Even though I have the so-called privilege of throwing away my Illinois vote, I would vote for him in the general election. I just don’t see a path for him to get the nomination, once it gets down to Sanders vs anyone, the anyone will gather steam and smother Sanders just like Hillary did.
Corbyn is a lot like Sanders. Instead of hanging his disgraceful head in shame, he is sticking around to continue to poison Labour.
Once Sanders loses this primary, I hope like hell that will be last we ever hear from him. Both Sanders and Corbyn have done irreparable harm to their respective parties.
I don’t really feel strongly either way. I don’t have strong negative feelings about Hillary and I don’t have strong positive feelings about Bernie. I just lean Bernie right now, and I lean towards this kind of thing from Hillary helping him. When I head into Bernie-subreddits, they love this stuff. When I talk to Trump supporters in real life, some of them actually sort of like Bernie (and a few say they would have voted for him in '16), because they think he’s for the workers against the big companies (like the old-fashioned view of the parties) but hated Hillary.
We’ll see.
Well I’m glad about that. I will vote for whoever the democrats put up too even if my preferred candidates do not win the primary election.
Having said that, with 55% of democratic voters being liberals I think Sanders has a realistic chance of winning. Also because liberals are in general more activist in politics, the % of democratic primary voters who are liberals is probably over 60%.
This idea is just totally nuts to me, regarding Sanders. I personally know dozens of young people who wouldn’t be interested in politics except for Sanders. Obviously Bernie is at least partly responsible for energetic young Democrats like AOC and several other young progressives deciding to run for (and winning) House races. Yes, they’re very progressive in very progressive districts, but in many states we’ll still need young progressives to come out and vote. I can understand not liking Bernie – I can understand preferring other candidates – but I can’t understand not recognizing that the energy (and VERY successful fundraising, for God’s sake!) he brings is helpful to the Democratic party as a whole.
He’s really not that terrible. He’s very progressive, and that’s okay for the party. He’s far from perfect too – I wish he’d just full-on become a Democrat. But he’s done a lot of good for the party from a political perspective. Outside energy, youthful support, and fundraising are all very positive things for the party, and he’s been good at all 3.
I hate it too. And I agree with you, you have to play the game you’re playing. “I would’ve won if the rules had been different” doesn’t count for much.
This is a very important point, one I witnessed personally. I spent a lot of time, starting in 2013 or so, trying to get the young people that were in my life to take an interest in politics. At least enough interest to vote. And I couldn’t sell it.
But Bernie did. And when he dropped out, the Bernie Bros that I know all went for Clinton. Some of them even campaigned for her. Now, maybe some Bernie Bros got cranky and didn’t vote for Clinton. But, IMHO, if Bernie hadn’t run, they would’ve all stayed home on Election Day anyway.
My top three candidates are Buttigieg, Sanders, and (somewhat reluctantly) Yang, but I’ll support whoever gets nominated. In the meantime, though, I don’t want to hear a peep out of Hillary Clinton. Because she’s a warmonger and a Wall Street crony, and I don’t give a shit about her dumb-ass loser opinions.
I didn’t check the OP initially to see that it linked to an actual news story and wasn’t just Dale drunkposting. That’s really despicable of Hillary. In refusing to unconditionally support the Democratic nominee, she’s showing less maturity and worse judgment than pretty much every poster in this forum. Shame on her.
Mayor Pete must be so proud to be associated with such classy supporters.