Hippies vs hipsters vs eco-hipsters

I feel that it’s necessary to make a distinction between several different groups who seemingly all get conflated with each other. These groups are hippies, hipsters, and then a new group which I just invented a word for (though others may have used it also) - eco-hipsters. Let me elaborate.

Eco-hipsters are people I’ve always been vaguely aware of, but just now have started to get to know. These are basically mid-twenties people who are into local, small-scale agriculture, environmentalism, biking rather than driving, and other such things.

How are they different from hippies? I’ll explain. I feel like hippies, at least locally, are distinctly, for a lack of a better word, dumber. They’re mostly interested in having a good time, drinking, smoking pot, and listening to music. They may cop an environmentalist or activist persona, but they don’t really act on it. They all seem to speak in a drawn-out, slow, inarticulate way - the typical “yeeeaaahhh maaaaaan” thing. They hang out at head shops a lot, and can often be seen playing Ultimate Frisbee.

The eco-hipsters aren’t like this; they actually do things. Right now, some of them are organizing a cooperative garden and orchard on a plot of land that they purchased. Yes, they actually purchased a plot of land and they are physically working the land. And they have meetings where they sit around and discuss their plans in an organized way. I know, because I was there. And I didn’t see any pot being smoked. The room didn’t smell like pot. There were no empty beer bottles on the table. It was an actual meeting.

These people also speak in an articulate way. They enunciate their words properly and they seem to have pretty good vocabularies. They also look fairly good: none of them have dreadlocks, they don’t smell bad, and though they’re not particularly concerned with style the way true campus hipsters are, they do at least seem like they groom themselves. A lot of these guys have huge bushy beards, but short hair, which is a look that you see a lot on “regular” hipsters, but not on “hippies,” who are more likely to have long hair and long beards, neither of them particularly kempt.

There’s overlap between the eco-hipsters and the “standard” hipsters, but not between either group and the hippies. On Facebook, I’ll look at the profile of one of these eco-hipster types, and notice that we have a lot of “standard hipster” friends in common, people I knew in college. But they’re never friends with the “hippie” types who I’m friends with, the guys into the jam band scenes and ultimate frisbee games and weed, weed, weed.

Also, there’s the bike thing. Hipsters and eco-hipsters both love bikes, not necessarily fixed gear bikes (although this is the stereotype) but the standard, traditional-style road bike. The more mechanically-oriented among them might also have motorcycles, invariably old Honda or similar street bikes. They don’t typically have cars, though. Hippies, on the other hand, will usually have rusty piece-of-shit cars or pickup trucks, totally covered with bumper stickers.

Just another bunch of kids buying into what they believe makes their consumerism-based subculture superior to other consumerism-based subcultures.

This is a very important distinction to make. Good thing you clarified this, somebody might have been confused about the issue!

How can you call them consumerism-based when they actually go out of their way to be as self-sufficient as possible? These guys are trying to set up a plot of land which they will live on, grow their own food, raise their own chickens and goats, etc…call them many things, but they sure as hell don’t have a consumerism-based subculture.

So do you guys like eco-hipsters? Where can I meet girls like these?

What do you call people who fit this profile but are late 30’s early 40’s? The pile of friends I have are reduce/reuse/recyclers, freecycle members, users of bikes/walking/cta mostly without cars but also carshare and/or have scooters, buy into CSA’s, use community gardening plots, are vegetarians/vegans, use/buy organic and non-toxic, work in non-profits, and other such things.

We’re certainly too old to be labeled hipsters, we were thrifting far before it was thought of as remotely cool, and are definitely not hippies. I might even posit that the “eco-hipster” group you describe might not appreciate the “hipster” connotation. They’re just the younger generation of environmentalists trying to/doing the right thing. Hipsters are posers, the group you describe doesn’t fit that because they give a shit, don’t you think?

Or maybe I’m old and haven’t followed the evolution of hipsters - when I first started hearing the term, it wasn’t a compliment. In my circle, it’s still not complimentary to call someone a hipster. But - maybe because we’re in the late 30’s and above range?

I wouldn’t really describe hipsters to all be “posers.” I think it’s a legitimate subculture, with its own distinctive style, and I don’t think that’s a bad thing or makes them inherently superficial. As a college student from 2005-2009, I certainly preferred the company of hipsters to the frat and frat-type collegiate subculture. I went to a lot of hipster parties and garage band shows. There was a lot of interesting conversation, and I thought the hipsters generally are polite and articulate. Every “mainstream” college party I went to was the same - rap blaring, people screaming into each others’ ears to talk, beer pong and Keystone Light, and Madden or Halo on a plasma screen TV. [blechh.]

You mention vegetarian/veganism, but actually these eco-hipsters I have met don’t seem interested in that. They have a practical, Midwestern farmer mentality; they want to raise livestock for meat, and they were interested when I talked to them about hunting. One girl today talked enthusiastically about rendered pork fat from a pig her friends had just slaughtered!

I’m not getting how putting people in taxonomic groups is meaningful or entertaining.

I have been classified as a “hippie” by multiple people, and I’m always like WTF? I don’t look like a hippie–my wardrobe is plain and mostly conformist, although I don’t iron creases in my slacks and I do have a tendency to wear footwear that is beyond its expiration date. I don’t talk in a “hippie” way or have long/big wild hair (though I used to years ago, when I was in college). No tattoos or piercings. I don’t even wear jewelry. The only thing that makes me remotely “hippie” is that I’m artistic and I do yoga. Big whoop. That’s like millions of other people on the planet.

I’m sure someone else assumes that I’m an “eco-hippie” because I’m an environmental scientist and I like plants/gardening. But I shock people on a daily basis when I correct their assumption that I’m vegan/vegetarian (I like my meat). Sometimes I recycle; most times I do not. I do not belong to a co-op or a CCA. I don’t shop at an organic/natural foods grocery store because I’m a cheapskate. Yes, I do walk all over creation. But I don’t do so for environmental reasons. I just like the exercise.

I don’t doubt that there are some people who meet the stereotype laid out in the OP to a “T”. But it is way too easy to classify other people based on a simple rubric (ooh, you’re wearing those funky glasses! You must be a hipster!) without considering that someone else is probably putting you in a box as well, based on a couple of traits that you may or may not even have. So why even do this to people? What’s to be gained?

Most of my friends and acquaintances fall into one of these groups, to some extent.

I agree that hippies are a pretty distinct group without much overlap, but the group has a fairly wide range. Some of the hippies I know hold down fairly professional jobs during the day and live in nice houses but spend a lot of their free time smoking weed and going to Widespread Panic shows. Others are unreconstructed types who live in shacks in the woods. The defining threads seem to be weed, some connection to the jamband scene*, and lack of ambition (not necessarily a bad thing–I myself believe that ambition is overrated).

I think I’m in the hipster/eco-hipster overlap, but not completely of either. I host an indie radio show and buy vinyl and Threadless t-shirts and PBR, but I don’t really have the physique for skinny jeans and I’m pretty effusive in my love for Lady Gaga. We have chickens and raise a garden and never miss a farmer’s market and oppose mountaintop removal, but we live in a big house and I just bought a Mustang. I guess what I really am is a cafeteria hipster, in the sense of the cafeteria Catholic.

  • There is a distinct subset that I call “mountain hippies” that are less into the Dead/Widespread scene and more into the bluegrass/old time music world. There’s also a complex relationship between the hippies at Phish shows and those into the rest of the jamband scene, but that’s a whole other topic.

Because these are noticeable subcultures, part of our overall cultural atmosphere in the age we live in, and it’s interesting to discuss it, for me. Feel free not to, if you’re not interested.