Well, actually, it’s 142 years old, but who’s counting?
gobear, I would also include Shubert’s Ave Maria, but since that’s Catholic, it’s probably EVIL.
I’m not familiar with that one. Can anyone help me out? Esprix?
Oh, puh-LEEZE, sugar, I adore Shubert’s Ave Maria (although I prefer Gounod’s version as sung by Barbra Streisand), but yeah, the Catholic Church is pretty much an evil institution.
Yea, Les Mis is fairly old and I already knew what had happened to Javert, I just saw it in the movie version though and shocked. I didn’t understand why he did that. But, then again, I only saw the tail end part of the movie. Hehe
Well, D’UH! That’s what I said! I mean, we worship Mary and are the Illuminati!
That’s nonsense. I’m more concerned with the bishops’ indiffference to the sufferning pedophile priests have cause and their conflating gay men wioth child molesters, which frankly makes me really, really, mad.
gobear, that doesn’t make an entire religion evil.
FWIW, I do agree with you-although, if you’ll notice, the US Bishops conference is putting in the zero-tolerance guidelines-despite the fact that the Pope disagrees with it.
However, since His4ever has in the past agreed with Jack Chick on Catholicism, that’s what I meant.
Make that clearer then. The “catholic church” consists of it’s membership. A great number of whom are decent humans. Tarring “the Catholic Church” with that bloodstained brush gathers in a lot of decent people. There are evil individuals in the catholic church just as there are evil people in any sociolgical subgroup. Don’t paint the church evil because of a very few of it’s members.
b.
Do you hear the Dopers post
Posting the words of angry rants
It’s a posting in the Pit
That full of……um… :: thinks ::…angry biting ants
Hmmm. Perhaps not. Wrong imagery to suggest and, frankly, kinda dumb. Uh…
That’s full of:
shirts and pants?
great beats, and you can dance?
Gilderstern and Rosenkrantz? :: hee! But no. ::
< Daffy Duck voice >
Leth’s…try that again, shall we?
< /Daffy Duck voice >
Do you hear the Dopers post
Posting their angry, hostile words?
They are posting in the Pit
And beating plowshares into swords
:: MUCH better! ::
When the ranting in your post
Echoes the anger in your heart
You know that you got a classic
And not a fart
:: that’s atrocious. Dumb. Fetid. Try again ::
thread you’ve start ed?
:: Dear God that’s bad. Doesn’t scan, dumb rhyme and tortured English: The Triple Threat ::
:: thinks ::
OOOOhhhh! Got it!
When the ranting in your post
Echoes the anger in your head
You’ll make His4Ever wish
She’da stayed in bed
:: doesn’t scan quite correctly, but they’ll forgive it ::
Will you join in our crusade?
Will you flame and have your say
At His4Ever’s hatred,
bigotry and evil way
Our anger, united, will make this place
seem like Pompeii
Do you hear the Dopers post
Posting their angry, hostile words?
They are posting in the Pit
And beating plowshares into swords!
When the ranting in your post
Echoes the anger in your head
You’ll make His4Ever wish
She’da stayed in bed
*Will you flame and will you mock
So that her ideas don’t advance?
When you flame, you might get burned
Will you stand up and take the chance?
*…um…
I already got stuck on an “ance” rhyme. I hate “ance” rhymes. Um…
Whoever the martyr will be
It won’t be Jonathan Chance
No. Terrible. Doesn’t rhyme, doesn’t scan and makes no sense.
Gobear and Scylla have started
a brand-new romance?
No. One or both of 'em might beat me up. Plus it doesn’t tie in and it’s just silly.
Fine. Lose the stupid “ance” rhyme.
*Will you flame and will you mock
Against her hatred that we see?
When you flame, you might get burned
Who will be strong and stand with me?
That crispy-roast flamed smell
Is coming from ol’ H-4-Eeeeeeee
*Do you hear the Dopers post
Posting their angry, hostile words?
They are posting in the Pit
And beating plowshares into swords!
When the ranting in your post
Echoes the anger in your head
You’ll make His4Ever wish
She’da stayed in bed
She’da stayed in bed!*
Jean Val Fenris
$50 says the whoosh of this thread over His4Ever’s head will make a sonic boom.
Uh, the Pope, the College of Cardinals, and the US bishops are not “af ew of its members”–they’re the heads of the organization. Shoot, you might as well call Bill Gates just an employee of Microsoft.
A different song parody (with respect to Alan Menken/Howard Ashman)
[quote]
Here she is, folks the leader of the claque!
Watch her spout out that gas!
Oh, my God!
She’s an evangelist and she’ll never ever be any good
Who wants their soul cleaned by the Marquis de Sade?
Oh that hurts!
I’m not numb!
[H4E]
Oh, shut up. Open wide. here I come!
I am your evangelist
[CRYSTAL, RONETTE, CHIFFON]
Goodness gracious!
[H4E]
And I enjoy the career that I picked
I am your evangelist
[CRYSTAL, RONETTE, CHIFFON]
Blocking graces!
[H4E]
And I get off on the pain I inflict
When I start posting some trollers
You girls will be screaming like holy rollers
[CRYSTAL, RONETTE, CHIFFON]
Dentist!
[H4E]
And though it may cause my victims distress
Somewhere in heaven above me, I know that my mama’s proud of me
'Cause I’m an evangelist- and a success
Say ah! Now spit.
The Catholic Church consists of it’s members. The pope, the bishops, the priests, as well as the congregation, are members of the body of the church. They are human beings. By definition they are fallible. By definition some will be good and some not so good. Some, maybe, downright evil. Like the whole of human population. You have insulted millions of people. People who are not responsible for their leadership. Catholics do not elect a pope. Catholics do not elect the bishop of their diocese. Catholics do not select their priest.
Catholics DO disagree with their leadership. Catholics DO find issue with the rules that are handed to them. And a great number of them, instead of condemning people, are doing things about it. What are you doing, Gobear? Are you apologising for pointing a finger at an entire religeon? for painting the catholics on this board with that broad brush? Because that’s what I’d like to hear.
b.
gobear, I’m interested – what do you think that song is about? Can you put the general moral of that song in to prose for me? (Interested, because I think most people get it wrong.)
But if we are comparing the moral message of high art, I don’t think that any work expresses moral redemption better than
Then how the reindeer loved him
As they shouted out with glee
Unless it’s possibly
Lollipop lollipop oh lolli lolli lolli lollipop
That one always makes me think…
Hey, I was raised Catholic, went through Confirmation and served as an altarboy, so do NOT presume to lecture me on the Church hierarchy, buster. The Catholic Church is a top-down organization, deny it however you will. The Pope and the Curia set the policies and the beliefs of the Church. They are NOT merely members. If you are a member of an organization that forbids families in Third-world nations from using birth control, shields child molesters while scapegoating their victims, and has strong antigay policies, then you are guilty of complicity.
If I were still Catholic, I would have taken the honorable course and left an irredeemably corrupt institution. A Christian’s loyalty should be to God, not to the institution that claims to speak for Him.
I have a rough idea that it means that no one is alone because teach person has his or her sense of judgement and morals with them.
Given that the theme of the play is that actions have unintended consequences and that people have to make n adjustment between their dreams and their circumstances, my take on it seems to be congruent, but I could be wrong. I’ll have to think about it some more.
Here we go again.
Perhaps my SPIRITUAL beliefs coinside with that of the Catholic church. What then?
Fuck you.
Six years in the seminary. I will not only presume, but can provide my qualifications to do so. And never, ever call me buster.
Listen: I did not enter this thread to piss in anyone’s cornflakes. I am attempting to empty the piss out of my own. Gobear, by lumping “catholics” with a few individuals who have done wrongheaded things you have pissed in the cornflakes of every catholic on earth, and they just do not deserve it, period.
Also: for the record, I am active in my local church, though for personal reasons I am no longer technically a catholic. Does that stop me from helping? does it stop me from contributing? no. Does it stop me from being a useful member of my local society? No. Here’s the deal: One child molesting priest is unacceptible. So is one child molesting cop. One child molesting politician. One child molesting zamboni driver. One child molesting homosexual. One child molesting preacher. One child molesting high school teacher. One child molesting crossing guard.
By specifically singling out the Catholic Church with this complete and utter nonsense, you do a couple of things.
- you place yourself exactly in the category of H4E, and Jack Chick.
- You portray yourself as a hypocrite; anyone who has faced intolerance should understand that the actions of a few should not condemn the many.
- You show yourself to be a bigot.
Having had discourse with you in the past, I have a feeling that you are none of those things, at least intentionally. I have a suspicion that you are reacting from an emotional level, that you have some problem or have been taught to have some problem with catholics. I’m sorry for you if this is the case. Like zamboni drivers, cops, firemen, chicken sexers, engineers, seventh-day adventists, homosexuals, even plywood manufacturing experts, Catholics are people like everyone else. To label them guilty by association of the actions of people over whom they may exercise no control is wrong.
You should be smarter than this. Show us you are.
b.
I agree with Guin. Living with sinners doesen’t make you a bad person.
Okay. Those parodies have convinced me.
I repent of quoting George Strait in a religious context.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
But, just to add something serious here, it’s clear that His4Ever is sincere in considering herself as showing love towards her fellow man by posting those Scripture quotes and defenses of literalism. I know that gobear and Kirkland can give eloquent testimony to how effective her ministry has been.
So CJ and Guin and I, and a bunch of others, have been attempting to suggest more effective ways to bring her message forward here on this board. And we seem to have fallen on deaf ears.
Does anybody have any other suggestions as to what to do to end that impasse? (Other than typical Pitticisms and “DNFTT”, that is.)