Fuck you, Christian Evangelists!

So I go home last night, and waiting for me in my mailbox is this week’s issue of Time magazine.

The cover story this week is, “Should Christians Convert Muslems?”, and already I’ve got that sinking feeling in my stomach. The question itself is silly, since anyone with an ounce of common courtesy would realize the answer is “No”. Just live and let live, kids; you believe whatever invisible sky pixie you want to, and let them believe whatever invisible sky pixie they want to, mmkay? Especially in a volatile region like Iraq, where there’s already enough suspicions that GeeDubya started a war as a pretext for a Christian attack on Islam.

But hey, I paid for the subscription, might as well curl up and read the article, hmmm?

Hooo boy. Big mistake – not only are these Evangelical Christians discourteous, they’re also arrogant as hell and twice as ignorant:
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[li]Comparisons of Christianity vs. Islam include eye-rollers like “Jesus arose from the dead and is alive. Muhammad is dead,” and John Ashcroft’s boneheaded “Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to die for you.”[/li][li]Oh, here’s a good one – “Islam is the terrorist, Muslims are the victim.” Yeah, way to go, condemn members of an entire faith as terrorists, why don’cha?[/li][li]“The muezzin’s first call to prayer rings out at 4 a.m. And pray Josh does. ‘I pray for the people responding,’ he says. ‘I pray that as they go to mosque, Jesus would somehow be revealed to them. I pray against that call—that it would not affect their souls.’ He prays he may help lift ‘this totally oppressive spiritual atmosphere.’” So he’s praying that the folks going out to follow their faith will be turned away from it instead? What unmitigated arrogance! What a total asshole![/li][li]More arrogant assholeishness: the notion that followers of Islam, Buddhism, and/or Hinduism are “enslaved” by their beliefs, and by extension, Satan. “Most [evangelicals] would subscribe to Luis Bush’s generalization about Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism: ‘Satan wants to keep people as miserable as possible for as long as possible.’” What a prick![/li][li]These folks are also a bunch of liars – some folks sneak into countries under the pretxt of doing secular work, when what they really want to do is preach. Others just flat-out lie about their faith, the better to play “save the heathens”: “Then there are the apparent attempts by some missionaries to camouflage their faith as a kind of Islam: inviting prospective converts to ‘Jesus mosques,’ publicly reciting the Muslim creed, ‘There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his prophet’; or allowing themselves to be regarded as Muslim mystics, or Sufis.”[/li][li]It turns out that oftentimes these “outspoken” eangelicals end up screwing things up for all local Chjristian aid-workers. “Missionaries also face charges of neglectful carelessness regarding reprisals they sometimes bring down on pre-existing Christian churches and nonevangelistic aid groups. Says Lamin Sanneh, a Muslim convert to Catholicism who teaches the history of world Christianity at Yale: ‘They come in, don’t report to the local churches, stir up a hornet’s nest and then quit town when the going gets tough. Why start a controversy if you’re not there to face the brunt of it?’”[/li][li]And if that’s not bad enough, these idiots end up endangering the people they’re trying to “save” – “A 2001 study prepared for the Southern Baptist Convention’s International Mission Board … describes his experience in a country where, he claims, ‘the majority of believers in Jesus Christ were systematically hunted down and martyred.’ Such perils support the missionary argument that some Muslims remain in the fold less out of faith than out of fear. But the persecution poses for evangelists an additional and potentially embarrassing problem of relative risk, given that (notwithstanding the four recent deaths) converts are in far greater jeopardy than those who brought them to Christ.”[/li][li]Ultimately, it just boils down to the fact that these Evangelical Christians are just a bunch of insensitive pricks who don’t give a damn about the mess they make. “‘Something you must understand,’ Robert e-mailed, ‘is that diplomacy does not work with Satan.’ He realizes that interjecting an uncompromising gospel at so sensitive a time and place may provoke hostility. But he sees that as an inevitable consequence.”[/li][/ul]

Yes, yes, I know, not all Christians are troublemakers, and not all evangelicals are dipsticks. But the level-headed folks wouldn’t think about jumping head-first into a war zone, sticking their noses where they don’t belong, trying to stir up the locals because they stupidly think Muslems are “imprisoned by Satan.”

But these folks – the ones who don’t know better – are a bunch of clueless shithead assholes, and watching them go into hot zones, deliberately stir up trouble, and smear other people’s faiths with ignorant name-calling, they are in serious need of a dozen smacks in the head with a Clue-By-Four.

ASSHOLES!

Am I the only one who heard this as Yakov Smirnoff?

“In OUR religion, God’s son dies for YOU!!!”

Organized religion is the #1 murderer of mankind.

Blame the victim much, rjung?

Would it be to much to ask for you to state in plain language what on earth you are talking about here, and how it relates in any way to the OP (other than the fact that you managed to type the OP’s name)?

rjung is blaming the evangelists for the incredibly barbarbic reactions that they sometimes elicit.

Thank you, ** Binarydrone**.
I was just scratching my head over that one myself.

Well, gee, maybe there’s a REASON they get such reactions, Brutus.

Oh, yeah… if someone believes in Jesus, heaven forbid she should tell anyone about Him.

You said it! Praying for people! What an asshat! Next thing you know, he might smile or offer them a cup of water! Jerk.

Umm… actually he’s saying members of the faith are victims, not terrorists. “Islam” is the terrorist, according to the quote.

Bumper-sticker sentiments that make catchy quotes for Time magazine. But you find this offensive? Most Christians would agree with the first statement. I won’t try to defend Ashcroft’s statement about Islam, however. I agree it is offensive.

And then, forcing people to convert to Christianity knowing full well it will put their lives at risk! Better off not telling them about Jesus, if it could be dangerous. Wouldn’t want to get killed over something so insignificant.
You know, you have couple of good points, but they’re buried deep in your prejudice against evangelical Christians. Sometimes they’re clueless, and sometimes they have little respect for the culture that they are trying to reach. But if someone has true faith that Christ brings saving grace to mankind, they would be much more of an asshole to not tell people about Him.

Aaah! I get it. A bunch of loud pushy uninvited guests arrive in a county and start attacking the most dearly held beliefs of her inhabitants, stirring up shit and generally being a pain in the ass, and when people lash out the evangelists are the victims here. :rolleyes:

Yes please. Shut the fuck up about Jesus already. We have all had enough.

“Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to die for you.” is true HOW?

The first part is NOT true-I do not recall being required to have your son die for God aas being one of the Five Pillars.

It would seem that the evangelicals are the prejudiced ones.

Aren’t zealots a wonderful thing? The theo-centric view some of them have is absolutely stunning at times. Hitting people over the head with religion is so contrary to what most religion is about, especially Christianity. Whatever happened to “live and let live?”

Oh yeah, my eternal soul will be lost for the ages unless you get in my face and foam at the mouth about how your’s is the only true path to some nebulous salvation and afterlife.

Check!

Probably because you are none too bright yourself.

What the fuck sort of logic does it take to blame Person A, who was talking to Person B, who in turn was killed/beaten by Person C? I’ll slam my door in the face of a travelling bible-thumper with the best of them. But I am not going to kill said thumper, or anyone that may like what he is saying. The people who are to be blamed are those who do the actual killings and beatings. Blaming the evangelists makes no sense.

And Guin, your statement could easily be used to excuse away anything from lynchings to the M.Sheppard murder. Just because the often violent bigotry in question is targetted against Christian missionaries, doesn’t make it right.
FWIW, I give a flipping fuck about any religion. Christ may or may not have died for my sins, Loki may or may not have stolen the creamed herring from Odin, Mohammad may or may not have the ability to generate fire, ala’ South Park. All equally silly, and at least the old ‘mythologies’ have more interesting stories.

Yep, I agree. Where exactly in the OP are Christians doing this?

Hmm, I don’t see this in my bible. What I see is time and again Jesus’ love offered to everyone.

Well, about your eternal soul, I hope not, but it’s up to you.

I know many missionaries, and not a single one of them get in people’s faces and foam at the mouth. I don’t see that referenced in the magazine article either. Do you have a cite? If I described all non-Christians as amoral devil-worshipping barbarians, would that be justified? Then accept the fact that not all Christian evangelists fit your stereotype (if any do).

I have never understood why some evangelists/fundamentalists almost always try an approach that is so offensive. I’ve always thought that their mission is to lead someone to Jesus – not to push, shove or drag. You would think that they would want to try techniques that have a better chance of being successful.

In my opinion, fundamentalist Christians sometimes do not think about how they would feel if the Iraqis came here with a million troops and then tried to pressure us to abandon Christianity to become Muslims.

If they are bound and determined to convert people to Christianity, then living among them in friendship and respect makes much more sense.

Obviously if these evangelists lie about their faith, or threaten or bribe people to convert, that’s a problem, because it’s certainly not ethical. However, assuming they’re forthright about their intentions and don’t use coercive behavior, what’s the problem?

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with trying to convince anyone your opinions and beliefs are right. Even on this board, that’s what GD is for.

And, if the recent converts are suffering harassment or violence from the local population, the blame there isn’t on the evangelists, but on the local population, who would then be so intolerant they were engaging in violence against people with a different belief.

I’m confused…

I’m supposed to blame war protestors for the deaths of American soldiers and for the deaths of the Iraqis who were murdered by Saddam.

But I’m not supposed to blame evangelicals who go into a war zone, where there is already tons of religious tension, and try to convert people knowing full well it will cause a reaction, thereby putting both our soldiers’ and the converts’ lives in danger?

For some reason I read the title as “Fuck you, Linda Evangelista.”