His4Ever, JerseyDiamond and Joe_Cool are hypocrites.

Because you would be the bigger person, and could keep the moral high ground.

Unfortunately, you’ve shown yourself to be a spoiled brat.

Yes. A perfectly logical and lucid position, the only one of value. Turning the other cheek just gives the beast another target to maim.

I didn’t leave Christianity. Christianity spit in my face and abandoned me.

Certainly not my intention. If I am, I would hope a mod would email me or whatever, because I am not trying to flaunt the rules.

About what?

I don’t recall your last email to me, sorry.

Kirk

And that would aid me, how? The “moral high ground” is on my side by default. Given that she’s no better than a Nazi, or a Klansman, or a slave holder, no one on the other side could ever dig a hole so deep that they are lower than her.

Nothing she went hrough in what she claims was her first marriage (which I still don’t believe was like she said… why should I?) even remotely matches what, say, Matthew Shepherd or the other victims of His’ gospel have endured.

Kirk

If you don’t see how telling someone that they deserved a husband who beat her, RAPED her and threatened to rape her sister is Being a Jerk, well, you’re even sadder than I thought.

I pity you, Kirk. You’re a miserable little being who blames his problems on everyone else instead of trying to make yourself happy.

You need serious help.

And we know those events occurred, how, Guin? Because she said they did? Not enough evidence for me, she is, in all things, a liar, so why should we take her word here?

But, I did not see, or remember, the bit about her being raped by the guy. He should be shot. I retract all my comments.

Kirk

She said she was sexually abused by her husband, and that he threatened to rape her own sister.

And for that matter, why should we believe anyone who posts here?

Guin, if people have a history of telling the truth, then they should be beleived. Like Monty, who has a history of stating the truth in regards to the positions of his religion, and backing them up with authoritative evidence.

If people are new, you give them the benefit of the doubt.

But if someone has shown to spread nothing but lies, like His4Ever – can you name one true thing she’s claimed about gays, about Catholics, about Mormons? – then you must treat everything she says as a lie until it is proven.

Kirk

You didn’t just imply it, you said it. I’m willing to accept that you didn’t mean it, though…ignorant people infuriate me too, and I’m not one of the ones she stirs up hatred against.

And no, His4Ever deserves no regard from you. She’s not intelligent enough to appreciate it in any case. That’s not the point.

His is never going to accept you, Kirkland. She’s too fixated on her frankly un-Christian interpretation of the Bible to do anything as enlightened as love someone whose lifestyle she disagrees with. And she’s not going to respond to emotional bullying any more than you would.

If you actually want to do something that might shift a few lurkers towards a more positive view of homosexuals and homosexuality, you may actually want to try being a little nicer. You don’t have to be some kind of queer Buddha…you can and should respond when people call you a hellbound deviant. But there are ways of responding without sinking to the level of personal insult. You might point out that this is certainly not how Jesus would have dealt with you, in the unlikely event that he couldn’t find something better to do with his time than tell you not to be gay. (“Okay…sit. Now…Don’t be gay, Kirkland! Don’t be gay!” -Eric Cartman channeling His4Ever, possibly misquoted)
You’re a grown man, unlike some. I’m sure you can think of ways of correcting others’ behavior without resulting to calling names.

As it stands, you just come off as overdramatic and mean. Accusing minor homophobes of having bloody hands? Do not attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by ignorance.

Ignorance and lying are too different things. I don’t think she deliberately lies-she’s simply insecure and ignorant.

And while she has said that what you do is a sin, she has never said she WISHES it on you.

Whatever makes sense to you in your little world, Kirk.

Dammit.

I hope I didn’t give Lynn ideas with my unhappy prescience.

Speaking of asking for it…

Masonite, as soon as I saw the post which started this, I suspected it was only a matter of time. Some days you win one; some days you lose one. Today we lost. :frowning:

CJ

Once again, Ahab has been destroyed by his own hatred.

Yet the lies that are sown in the hearts of men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

Can we go now?

FYI all,

His4ever has gone off to MPSIMS to whine about this thread. Here is the link.

Oh for the love of cheese.

Although, I’m starting to wonder-if what she said about her first marriage was true, and all-maybe this is all a reaction? Do you know what I mean? That she still feels at fault or something?

Or am I too damned nice for my own damned good?

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Too often, when a person suffers intensely enough or long enough, they tend to come out of it not loving themselves very much at all. And so that’s how they love their neighbors.

H4E and Kirk have been a tremendous example here of just why suffering is cyclical. Round and round.

And people think Hell is after life. Silly people.

Fishing for compliments? Yes, you’re too damned nice. :slight_smile:

H4E never directly responded to the main point of posters here, that her literal interpretation of the bible, her willingness to explain to all and sundry how God himself condemns their actions, and her own life choices, have combined to demonstrate that she is a hypocrite. Instead, she goes elsewhere and whines about how she doesn’t hate anyone.

Perhaps this thread is pushing her into a personality crisis of some sort. Good, she needs one. This is the first crack I’ve seen in that smug, self-righteous armor.

Why, thank you. Let’s see what she says to my posting in the thread she started in MPSIMS.

And with you. {You made me channel my Episcopalian upbringing!}

Did Kirkland really get banned for his posts here?? I understand that he is upset, posted with profanity and could have been construed as a “jerk”, but still he was posting to a thread that he has a vested interest in. He is trying to defend his feelings and choices. No one has banned His4ever for damning people to hell, a much more serious violation IMHO. If being a little crazy about your beliefs is a bannable offense I can think of a few who have asked for it a little more.