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Neither am I. And I know a lot of people who call themselves Christian who say similar or worse things.
I think you’ve just been whooshed, Qadgop, and by sweet, innocent vanilla, at that! You’ve got to watch out for us naive types, you know. 
CJ
According to fundies, (and I really wonder if I am one or not),
swearing shows you are not really like Christ.
I never swear, but I never feel like I am like Him, either!
Qad: I think you may have hit the nail on the head. H4E has consistently said mean and hateful things about you, me, and others. On reflection, I’d like to think that kirk didn’t really mean that H4E should’ve been locked up with some maniac who’s out to beat her senseless and rape her sister, but rather that she deserved to be matched with someone as mean and hateful as the things she’s said.
Vanilla, though, catches herself when she’s about to say mean or incorrect things, or, if caught by someone else, apologizes about it. Some of my more interesting e-mail has come from vanilla. (p.s., Rose: thanks for the b-day thread!)
Before anyone jumps down my throat: NO! I don’t think that H4E deserves to be matched that-a-away. I was, shall we say, interpreting kirk’s comment.
Actually, Monty, what I was saying was, so long as that fucking bitch demands that gays, in particular, live by every little mark in that vulgar, repugnant book of hers, then she must, too. The Bible doesn’t say “go ahead and get divorced if your husband is an abusive creep.” It says “don’t get divorced,” with a debateable “out” for adultery situations. She’s not only divorced, she’s remarried, which according to the Bible she worships, makes her a filthy whore.
She’s a fucking hypocrite, a worthless piece of fundamentalist trash. If she holds me to a certain standard, then she must hold herself to it, too. Which means she must go back to her ex-husband.
He sounds like he treats people physically the way she treats others spiritually. She chose to marry him. She has no grounds for a Biblical divorce. She deserves him, and every bruise he gives her. Because she expects others to live by her loveless strictures, she deserves nothing but the same.
If she gives herself an “out,” then she must give everyone else the outs they need, too. She has two choices, two ways to become cease being a worthless, troglodyte hypocrite: Recant every lie she’s ever stated, or go back to her REAL husband. Until she does that, she’s a hypocrtical liar and – beyond contesting, she’s admitted it – an adulterous whore, by the Bible. And she should be treated as such.
Kirk
Plus, I don’t believe His’ stories about her ex-husband, frankly. The bitch lies about everything else: Catholicism, the Bible, God, gays, Mormonism – why the fuck are we assuming she’s telling the truth here?
Kirk
You’re going beyond merely being offensive to fundamentalists, at this point.
How are we to treat adulterous whores, anyway? (Checking my New Testament…)
The same way they treat us, masonite.
She gets off her lie horse and recants her positions on all things gays, Catholics, Mormon, etc, and starts allowing people the same leniancy she has self-righteously claimed for herself, and I’ll have pity and sympathy for her to spare.
Kirk
Okay. Apparently, Kirk, you’re temporary banning didn’t teach you a thing.
You’ve got some SERIOUS issues, you self-loathing jackass.
NOBODY fucking deserves to be beaten by their spouse. Perhaps that is why she is very insecure and does the things she does-perhaps she has issues in her past? You’re not the only one in the world who ever suffered. If ANYONE has a martyr complex it’s YOU.
What H4E is or is not matters little compared to the damage you do to yourself, kirk.
I basically agree, Guin, no one deserves to be beaten by their spouse, or anyone else – unless they do that sort of thing to others, as His does spiritually and verbally with her lies and attacks on good people – gays, Catholics, Mormons, and others.
A person who hurts others deserves to be hurt themselves.
I have no pity for a woman who does such things to others. If she recants, I’ll be on her side in an instant. Until then, I hope she suffers as badly as every person who’s ever suffered because of the lies and evil she spreads with glee and abandon.
Kirk
Kirk, there’s something to be said for erring on the side of showing too much compassion and perhaps getting egg on one’s face than showing too little and being cold and callous when somebody needs support. Look at the posts by gobear and jayjay here, for example. They still disagree with the positions of His4ever, but also show compassion.
Bullshit. His4ever’s words can’t hurt you NEARLY as bad as being beaten by a spouse can. Don’t you EVER dare say that to a woman who was battered. Don’t you even DARE!
Basically, by stating the above, you’re implying that some women “ask for it.” Fucking misongynist bullshit.
:: Sigh ::
That would be eye-for-an-eye. Christians must show them Christ’s love, returning good for evil. (I’m not calling anybody evil, btw.)
I’m aware you’re not Christian at the moment (I have hope you’ll come back) - but most everybody else was arguing from a Christian perspective, if not H4E’s own.
You appear to be attempting suicide-by-mod again. Just an observation, if you’re not already aware of it.
Feel free to email me, Richard. I’d like to be your friend. Sorry my last email to you (months ago) pissed you off. I now know part of the answer to my question, which I shouldn’t have asked you.
Hey Kirk, I know you are on the side of the right but I worry that while you feel you are spitting in their faces you are actually just dribbling down your front and getting good folks to turn on you.
Ease up mate, H4E is not worth melting down over, she has shown herself to be what she is both to us and herself, that speaks eloquently to her hypocrisy without you continuing the kicking.
So, how exactly is that? Well, thumbing through my NT, I see:
John 8:3-11
3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
7But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11"No one, sir," she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
Now, I know you’ve rejected Xanity for yourself, but your entire refrain in this thread has been “She’s a sinner by her own rules”. If that’s the angle you’re going to take, than the above is the punishment she merits by her own rules-if you want to be consistant, that is.
I like vanilla.
No, women don’t “ask for it.” Neither do the men who are abused by their wives, or kids who are abused by either parent.
Neither do gays. But thanks to people like His, gays get beaten – often to death – on a very regular basis in this country. And thanks to people like His, it is harder and harder to get our government to pass hate crimes laws and the like to try to stop this situation. And thanks to people like His, gay teens kill themselves at a stunning rate, for fear of being abused and rejected by their friends, families and peers. His’ hands are caked in blood, just like those of everyone like her.
No one, in truth, deserves to be beaten. But why should I have an ounce of pity for a bitch whose made it her mission on this board to attack people like me, and one of the missions of her life to keep me and everyone like me second-class pseudo-citizens?
If she’s in pain, then that’s good, because it might show her what her words and beliefs do to others. I will not pity her. I will not say I’m sorry for her.
I don’t even believe her tail of marital woe, anyway.
I believe in divorce. I believe that any woman who is abused should be able to kill her husband, or have him thrown in prison for the rest of his life. Spousal abuse should be treated just as seriously as we treat rape, with penalties just as harsh.
But His doesn’t get to believe in divorce. She doesn’t get to leave him. She cannot violate that Bible verse, until she gives me and all mine leave to violate the verses that condemn us for also doing something that isn’t wrong. Until she does that, though, I’m going to play devil’s advocate on this issue. I’m going to hold her to the same standard she holds me.
Please don’t think that I mean to imply that woman deserve to be hit. They don’t. No one does.
But if His says I deserve to be thrown in Hell for who I love, I’m going to hold her to the same standard, and same sort of torture as she envisions for me, until such time as she recants.
Good Lord, did any of that make any sense?
Kirk
You know, Kirkland, I feel that His4Ever ought to throw away her keyboard and find another hobby to distract her from her obsession with online gaybashing.
However, when I see you saying that she ought to be beaten my someone she loves because she types stupid, hurtful things on a message board, I lose a lot of sympathy for you.
His4Ever and the other people targeted in this thread deserve to be hurt in the degree that they have hurt: with words, no more.