And you know, you’re attacking me when I’m trying to be helpful and argue on your behalf. This is the thanks.
Um, I didn’t start this thread–check the OP’s name, yet somehow you’re blaiming it on me. I’m trying to defend you’re too busy nursing grudges and namecaling to notice.
Please tell me again in what way are you morally superior to me?
Er, that should be “blaming” and the seonc sentence should read, “I’m trying to defend you, but you’re too busy nursing grudges and namecalling to notice.”
Honestly, J_C, if you don’t remember having met me, I don’t think you are in much of a position to trust your memory either way. We have met at least twice. But I suppose that’s neither here nor there.
I certainly didn’t interfere with your life in any way whatsoever.
As for “slander,” well, I do not think that word means what you think it means.
And as for starting an “irrelevant and factually incorrect” pile-on, I think a brief survey of the relevant threads reveals that this is manifestly untrue. Curiously, you accused gobear of precisely the same thing just a few posts ago. Something about “spearheading” the pile-on against you.
So who is it, J_C?
So thanks for returning my apologies with this drivel. I’ll remember for the next time that trying to make up for my mistakes and doing good by people I don’t agree with is fucking worthless.
Because he’s a Christian. Being a Christian also expalins why he acts lovingly and compassionately towards his fellow humans, as commanded by his Savior, Jesus Christ.
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You’re right. This has NOTHING to do with gobear, Esprix, matt_mcl, myself, or any of the other posters being gay.
Not. At. ALL.
I dislike you because you use your religion to be a jerk. I’m pretty sure your diety has an even bigger don’t be a jerk rule than the mods here have.
That you think gobear seems to spearhead dogpiles on you is paranoid, and I put the burden back on you to either provide cites that it is so, or retract it and apologize.
It seems you, Jersey, and His4Ever spend more than enough time advancing your own personal agendas.
All one has to do is reread through this thread to see how you respond to being held accountable for your words. Rather than actually dealing with the remarks at hand, you go into a poor me mode and whine about being attacked when you brought it on yourself by your own poor choice of words and posts. Are you not accountable for what you say? You seem quick enough to demand accountability of others.
After you have posted to threads about how you would beat a child with a belt, I doubt that you are the one to really guage what is and isn’t abusive. I’d set down that next stone you were planning on throwing; there are far too many holes in your glass house already.
I dislike you for who you are, not the book and faith you use to justify hatred, prejudice, and violence.
cjhoworth:
And once again, you are making judgments regarding things you know nothing about. That, my friend, is why we are opposed.
gobear
That’s defending me? With friends like you, who needs enemas?
Anyway, I have already acknowledged and thanked you for speaking up in defense of our privacy (though who would ever have thought there would be a need to speak up in defense of privacy on a public message board??) and called you gracious for doing so, in light of our serious disagreements.
But the way you continue at the same time to spread lies and slander us, as in the quote above, it’s rather difficult to count you as an ally, even in so small a matter.
And I call your refusal to apologize after making a clearly false accusation (for which you DEMANDED an apology), except in return for clearing up a totally unrelated misconception, cowardly. If you recall, the apology I wanted was for your insistence that I said some thing or other (to the effect that all gays hate themselves, or some such B.S.) in a thread to which I never posted. To cover your own ass, you claimed that a single post from me was lost in a “board crash”. And even when faced with the fact that you are totally unable to substantiate your accusation against me, you refused to apologize and said “I retract the statement.”
You don’t get to just retract an accusation. Your accusation is floating out there for all to see, in perpetuity (or as long as SDMB is online), and rather than admit you were wrong and apologize, you offer me a deal? Forget it. Your abject apology is owed because you are WRONG and you LIED about me publicly, and insulted me based on your incorrect memory of what I allegedly posted. I will not make any concession or sign off on any statement of beliefs in order to collect an apology that you owe to me. Your so-called deal was nothing more than an attempt to weasel out of admitting that you were wrong and you levelled false accusations against me, which you are still unable to back up.
So thanks for backing up the idea that my personal life is the business of those to whom I choose to reveal it, and nobody else’s. But I’m sure you’ll agree that it doesn’t make us pals.
Maeglin
Well, according to my dictionary, it means to defame or malign. And calling me a hypocrite because you don’t think that JD and I are eligible to be married under our faith seems to fit pretty well. Actually, maybe you’re right. Slander is more properly a verbal defamation. Perhaps the appropriate term is libel. Thanks for correcting me.
In case you weren’t aware, there has been more than one thread attacking me and JD. This one was started by homebrew, but grew directly out of your comment regarding our alleged hypocrisy. The one in October was started by gobear.
And no, I don’t suppose you interfered in my life, but you did cause me to be insulted and my marriage attacked, based on your statements. Since this isn’t real life, it’s not all that big a deal, but I’m still less than pleased about it. At any rate, I’d prefer your not making further statements about our personal lives to your apology.
And finally, if we’ve met and I don’t remember, sorry. I remember clearly that you had been one of the NYC people that I wanted to meet, but never had the chance because you couldn’t make it to any of the gatherings that I’ve been to recently.
“We all speak a different language, talking in defense.” – Mike and the Mechanics
I think there’s material here for a quite different thread based on what gay people are seeking and whether it fits with various views of Christian responsibility to support or oppose those aspirations. Unfortunately, both CJ and I have tried to start such threads, and they’ve sunk without trace.
Is there any concurrence by the people here that it is quite possible to misinterpret the views of the opposition, and that perhaps people are drawing lines in the sand that don’t need to be drawn? Or do I have my rose-colored glasses on again?
Well, you’re absolutely right. I both retract the statement and apologize abjectly, thoroughly, and unreservedly.
Well, you are full of shit, so I am sure the enema is just a courtesy!
Maeglin, I guess I am responding like a jerk when you clearly were trying to make right the misunderstanding. So please accept my apology for that.
Uh, please take note of the fact that the posts just now listed as Jerseydiamond were, in fact, made by me, and please direct all responses to me and not to her.
Sorry.
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JD
Thanks for your mild tone. I say this without sarcasm, and I really do appreciate it.
That’s not precisely what I meant, but I take your point. I don’t mean to correct you with respect to slander versus libel. I posted what I did with respect to a “prior marriage” absent of malice and because I honestly believed it was true. Evidently it’s not, for which I apologized and still regret.
Fair enough. As you may or may not have noticed, I have kept out of it and intend to continue to do so.
Trust me, it happens all the time. 
What a bunch of simulposts. Wow.
Just for the record, Maeglin, I’d like to post my apology to you for my rude response under my own username.
I reacted improperly, and apologize for the rude way I answered your apology.
Joe Cool, thank you.
Thank you for ignoring my defending you at the beginning of this thread. Thank you for attacking a mild objection made as gently as possible. Thank you for your belief that a very dear friend of mine who took abuse for defending me is an irredemably sinful state. Thank you for believing that he is sinful for enjoying a privilege that you enjoy or intend to enjoy. Thank you for reminding me that far too many people I care for are condemned to ever lasting torment in your view because they are homosexual, atheistic, agnostic or, God forbid, Wiccan.
Three things are scaring me. One, that your view of God might be right. Two, that your view of God is starting to work it’s way into my view. Three, that you and especially His4Ever think that’s a good thing.
Remind me never to speak in your defense again.
CJ
It’s Advent, and it seems wrong to me to continue old quarrels and pursue petty squabbles during this season. (Yes, I know, rabid atheists shouldn’t concern themselves with Advent. So I’m inconsistent; sue me.)
If Joe_Cool and JerseyDiamond continue to dislike me, that’s out of my hands. For my part, I apologize (again) for any and all posts I have written that suggested or stated that they don’t love gay people or that have offended Joe_Cool and JerseyDiamond in any way.
By the way, the friend I mentioned was attacked and insulted not because he was gay, but because he had the temerity to be my friend.
CJ
Don’t let your faith be affected by other people. If you believe that God is love, then hold on to that. While I don’t share your faith, I am still glad that it gives you hope and comfort, especially now, in a very cheerless time for you.
Sad. Christians turning on each other. Is this what we need? Seriously, all jokes aside…this must make the Lord weep.