Bill, we’re all thinking it, but you’re not supposed to say it out loud. ![]()
“Judgement-proof” doesn’t mean that he can’t have a judgement entered against him. It means the winning party has no way to collect any judgement entered against him.
tl:dr version – What money? He probably doesn’t have enough to pay for the process server to hand him a dunning notice.
If the only way you can ‘tell a higher truth’ is thru deceit and fraud, then perhaps you need to reconsider this ‘higher truth’.
He’s judgment-proof because he doesn’t have any money.
I see. But I thought judgements could apply to the future - i.e, “You’re broke now, but if you make money in the future then you owe the plaintiff $50,000.”
You seem to believe that it is only a cash grab. I think it could be political agenda driven. Who knows? Only Mr. Brown. But it goes back to the OP question. Which is still a question, despite your dismissal.
Well of course. But like pro-life activists who lie for their cause, or animal rights activists who lie for theirs, or any number of examples, it’s possible that Pastor Dumbfuck here thought the deceit and (attempted) fraud were worth it.
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You have used this exact phrase recently in another thread, to imply that someone was lying to push a liberal agenda. (My interpretation, not Bricker’s actual words.)
Are you actually trying to make an objective hypothesis on a possible motive behind the actions of this one individual, or are you trying to paint some sort of broader picture?
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He’s been spending a lot of time in his basement laboratory cooking up gotchas. Judging from the foul smells, sounds of breaking glass, cursing and incantations in what sounds like Latin, it’s clear that he’s on the cusp of a great discovery: the philosopher’s stone of liberal hypocrisy.
I love these cameras. But dumb criminals still do not seem to understand THEY WILL BE CAUGHT! (DUH!)
Technically true, but if you really get hit with a big judgment you can’t pay, you can discharge it in bankruptcy.
Indeed. What they do is equivalent to prank-calling 911, or pulling a fire alarm.
No broader picture. I think that Brown’s motive was, at least in part, to highlight the very real issues of social discrimination that exist. Frustratingly, he was not actually at the center of any of them, so he decided to manufacture one. Now, that speaks to his desire to be the center of attention, to be sure, and it was foolish and reprehensible because of the innocent victims of his accusation and for the other reasons you mention.
But surely you acknowledge that at some level, he was trying to help – that is, he saw himself on the side of the angels, even though objectively, his tactics removed him from that side decisively.
Their relatives would be Munchausen by proxy, people who have Munchausen fake or cause illnesses upon themselves.
Well, maybe. I certainly think it’s a possibility. But it’s impossible to know for sure; he might have been motivated solely or primarily by a need for attention or gain. I’m not sure it’s possible to separate out the two.
Okay. All well and good then, and sorry for my suspicion.
I can’t be sure whether he thought he was doing it for a good cause or whether he was motivated by purely selfish reasons, but I am inclined very strongly to believe the latter.
Even if he had convinced himself that he would somehow be helping a greater cause through his lying and slandering, I suspect the underlying motivation was not “this will help people” but “by doing this, I will be seen to be a champion of justice.” So, ultimately selfish.
Even if not malicious, his stunt was grossly irresponsible and harmful.
The only difference I will make here is that - by and large - pro-life/peta folks actually believe their own rhetoric.
THis guy manufactured it entirely (for his own case - not that there are not real cases out there).
This is the same as the dumbfuck pro-life people that set up PP with the ‘selling baby parts’ - they also knew they were manufacturing the ‘higher truth’ - I give a pass to those that believe them (until they are shown it was manufactured) - but none to those that create it.
No argument as to “grossly irresponsible and harmful.” But I think the other discussion reaches into the classic paradox regarding selflessness: at some level, one could argue that ANY act that appears to be selfless is merely aggrandizing, or for some other end that benefits the doer, even if it’s “I feel good when helping others.” We change a flat tire in the rain for some poor stranded old lady because we feel better when we do and worse at the thought of leaving her stranded, so in a sense, we change it for our sake, not hers.
In the end, it’s not possible to unravel Brown’s inner thoughts, but I am reasonably certain in his own mind, as he started the deception, he was being a hero.
“Judgment- proof” doesn’t mean you can’t get a judgment against a person. Being judgment proof is not a defense, so Whole Foods can sue this guy and get a judgment against him even if he is “judgment-proof”. It’s more of an evaluation of whether it’s worth the bother, because there are costs to suing and getting the judgment.
Whole Foods already gets everything they want. The whole world knows they didn’t do the thing, the preacher is loudly and widely discredited, and they get lots of positive publicity. They could sue, sure, but they’re still out court costs since there’s no way the guy can actually pay them back.
Nothing to gain by going through with the suit. The guy’s a nobody and his fifteen minutes of fame are already over.
Sure, in theory Whole Foods could proceed with their suit and get a judgment and at some later point, if Pastor Dumbfuck gets a job, they could move to garnish his wages or whatever.
But what would be the point? Whole Foods is a big company, and the actual damage they have suffered here is comparatively slight. Dumbfuck is one (possibly mental) guy, who has already publicly admitted the whole thing is made up. It’s simply not worth it for WF to spend any more time or money going after this guy. It would be an irrational use of their resources.