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I thought I had explained and apologized enough, somewhere upthread. In case it wasn’t clear then, I will reiterate. I didn’t mean it to come like that. As I explained, all my Jewish friends are filthy rich (and not in a bad way, they are the kind of filthy rich that will hang out with a definitely non-rich guy like me, and this was mostly on college days, where well, shoes and cars were everyone’s priorities). If I had foreseen the uproar such a line was going to generate, I would have said something along the lines of more concerned about their next meal, the Red Sox, or whatever else that would not be seen as a stab into yet another Jewish negative stereotype.
Once again, the intention of my post was to add to the general consensus of “they will get over it whenever they want, each on his own”. It backfired horribly in all kinds of ways and derailed the thread. My bad. Shit happens.
[/QUOTE] MEMO
To: Sapo
Advice: Time to put down the shovel.
Reason: The hole is deep enough as it is.
That said, filing an official report on someone for calling you “Hitler”? Actually, I don’t know, because remarkably few details were given. The whole thing sounds like an excuse for the OP to let out something that’s been bothering him for a while. Which worries me much more than someone getting written up for calling his Jewish boss “Hitler”–not because of the offense that may or may not carry, but because it’s a really dumb thing to do. If one of my friends called me Hitler, that wouldn’t bother me----hell, one of my friends wrote “Happy Birthday, You Fucking Kike” on my birthday cake this year, and I loved it–but if I had a new employee call me Hitler, well, they’d have bought themselves a thorough talking-to. A write-up? Not so much, only because that’s not my style. But if this little remark was part of a general demeanor and attitude that made me uncomfortable at work, hell yeah I’d write him up–that’s what official reports are for. We don’t know the context here.
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Did you even bother to read the OP fetus? Did you miss this bit?
Any more ‘context’ you’d like me to fill you in with?
Consider me newly enlightened as to the latent anti-Semitism still lurking like a not very hidden cancer in society. Because this comment, among other similar charming remarks by several seemingly normal (i.e. not usually perceived as jerkish) members here, has made this one of the most scary and depressing fucking threads I’ve seen at the Dope. Congrats, y’all.
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Even if I were wrong, how is referring to “internet Jew-supremacism” anti-semitic?
[QUOTE=Hamadryad]
When will the Native Americans get over losing all their land to Europeans? I mean, there are still plenty of NAs around, right? So what’s the big deal?
Yeah, I’m with everyone else who’s saying, “I don’t give a fuck how you are in ‘real life;’ on here, you’re being a shithead.”
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Several years ago, when I referred to the ‘genocide’ of the North American Indians a poster argued that with a completely straight face. There are plenty of Indians around so it wasn’t genocide. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=you with the face]
That’s what I was wondering!
Bloke #1: Whites have more reverence towards charity than any other people.
Bloke #2: That seems kind of supremacist, doncha think? Where are you coming from with that?
Bloke #3 (in reference to #2): Racist!!!
Ladies and gentlemen, this doesn’t make any sense.
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Maybe if what was said was “that seems kind of supremacist, doncha think? Where are you coming from with that?” a small discussion as to what was meant from a historiocultural POV could have been had. But “Jew-this or that” is a phrase that is more often spat than said, and the meme of “Those {some add “dirty” here, some don’t} Jews think they are better than the rest of us” has been part of the antisemitic toolbox for many a year.
So yeah, getting a twofer of it makes one blink. The implied “fact” of common Jewish supremacy complex with the “Jew-blank” is bilious. Personally I think it shows how inculcated many of these canards are that someone would say that and be surprised that it was offensive.
[QUOTE=DSeid]
So yeah, getting a twofer of it makes one blink. The implied “fact” of common Jewish supremacy complex with the “Jew-blank” is bilious. Personally I think it shows how inculcated many of these canards are that someone would say that and be surprised that it was offensive.
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I didn’t find it offensive. So I must be deeply steeped in racism…
[QUOTE=Malthus]
You seem to be implying that Jews are, in your experience, notorious for asserting their “supremacy” on the internet.
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No, not notorious, because I’ve observed that Jewish-supremacy is taken for granted on the 'net - in general by Jews and non-Jews alike.
[QUOTE=pizzabrat]
No, not notorious, because I’ve observed that Jewish-supremacy is taken for granted on the 'net - in general by Jews and non-Jews alike.
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Really?
Very strange. I cannot say I’ve noticed this at all.
In what ways or fields do Jews and non-Jews assert Jewish supremacy?
Lots. But I wouldn’t trust your version of it anyway, so don’t bother. Especially since you seem to legitimately think that you’ve provided the context necessary to make the judgment.
Very strange. I cannot say I’ve noticed this at all.
In what ways or fields do Jews and non-Jews assert Jewish supremacy?
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Funny thing is, I’m not aware of any anti-semitism in real life. Not anywhere. At all. It’s mostly right here on the Dope I keep being reminded and sensitized and re-sensitized to all the anti-semitism in the world.
There’s the whole middle east thing. The nightly news has been giving me nightly updates about Israel every night, nightly - did I say nightly? Yeah, nightly, every night my entire life.
You know, if it weren’t for the nightly news and this board continually reminding me how hard it is to be Jewish/Iraeili, Jews and Israelis wouldn’t mean much more to me than Chukchis.
[QUOTE=levdrakon]
Funny thing is, I’m not aware of any anti-semitism in real life. Not anywhere. At all. It’s mostly right here on the Dope I keep being reminded and sensitized and re-sensitized to all the anti-semitism in the world.
There’s the whole middle east thing. The nightly news has been giving me nightly updates about Israel every night, nightly - did I say nightly? Yeah, nightly, every night my entire life.
You know, if it weren’t for the nightly news and this board continually reminding me how hard it is to be Jewish/Iraeili, Jews and Israelis wouldn’t mean much more to me than Chukchis.
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This is a very odd response to my questions.
In what way is it relevant to what I was asking? Are you saying that you resent the imposition of Jewish (and Israeli, something quite different) issues ond concerns on your notice through the news and the Dope, and that this imposition is an example of “Jewish supremacy”?
[QUOTE=Malthus]
This is a very odd response to my questions.
In what way is it relevant to what I was asking? Are you saying that you resent the imposition of Jewish (and Israeli, something quite different) issues ond concerns on your notice through the news and the Dope, and that this imposition is an example of “Jewish supremacy”?
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No, it was your innocent counter argument, “gee whiz, I’ve never noticed this.” Yeah, like you really haven’t noticed. Didn’t we have a Jewish smiley for the longest time? Did we have an atheist smiley, a Catholic smiley, a Muslim one? A Buddhist one? A gay one? a black one? Of course not, why should we? And why should we question why there was a Jewish one. Are you an anti-semite?
[QUOTE=levdrakon]
No, it was your innocent counter argument, “gee whiz, I’ve never noticed this.” Yeah, like you really haven’t noticed. Didn’t we have a Jewish smiley for the longest time? Did we have an atheist smiley, a Catholic smiley, a Muslim one? A Buddhist one? A gay one? a black one? Of course not, why should we? And why should we question why there was a Jewish one. Are you an anti-semite?
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The Hassidic Jew smiley was a symbol of Jewish supremacy?
Sir, you have left our planet, and you may need professional help getting back. Godspeed.
[QUOTE=fetus]
The Hassidic Jew smiley was a symbol of Jewish supremacy?
Sir, you have left our planet, and you may need professional help getting back. Godspeed.
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I’m not arguing in favor of Jewish Internet Supremacy. Doesn’t exist. I don’t like the innocent “hadn’t noticed” argument. Hadn’t noticed what, Jews? Please. Yeah, Jews are all quiet and stuff. They have nooooo influence in America disproportionate to their percent of population.
I will relate to you a story that happened to me in the workplace. This was several years and a couple of jobs ago. I was a recent hire at this place when a pretty nasty political fight broke out between my manager and another one. Most of engineering didn’t agree with some of the things that my manager wanted to do (and in retrospect, they were mostly correct) but did them anyway. Soon enough, the big boss got involved and called a bunch of us engineers into a meeting.
The big boss asked why we all did things a certain way and the consensus was because my manager told them to do it and they did it even though they thought that it was the wrong approach. The big boss said, “What are you, a bunch of Nazis?”
It was clear from the context that he was just making a bad joke, i.e. “we were just following orders.” Still, it was like a punch in the gut. It was just one of those visceral things. I said something like, “I would appreciate a different analogy next time” and he apologized and moved on. It didn’t even occur to me to tell HR or even think about it again but my initial reaction was what it was. If something like that would have happened during a one on one argument with someone, it would have probably infuriated me.
I am a totally secular Jew and haven’t been to a synagogue in over a decade. It doesn’t make a difference.
[QUOTE=levdrakon]
Didn’t we have a Jewish smiley for the longest time? Did we have an atheist smiley, a Catholic smiley, a Muslim one? A Buddhist one? A gay one? a black one? Of course not, why should we? And why should we question why there was a Jewish one.
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Well! Color me polka-dotted and ship me to Latvia (as elucidator might say), but I for one never suspected for a moment that our late lamented Hasidic smiley was actually code for the Internet Jewish Supremacy movement.
Now some might label this thread a hopeless trainwreck, but we’ve certainly learned a lot of interesting things along the way.
When it comes to my day-to-day dealings with other people, I pretty much agree. I hardly ever encounter it.
Yes.
Or in any semi-anonymous forum where certain folks can let their hair down and tell it like they see it.
It takes a long time to get over ingrained bigotry.
[QUOTE=kambuckta]
At work today, a new bloke (who has proved himself to be a complete fuckwit in other circumstances anyway) addressed her as Hitler.
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This is a bit of a sore point with me at the moment - see this thread - but in many organisations over here (U.K.) this behaviour would be a formal warning at the very least, and a prime excuse for firing the guy (‘We do not tolerate racist behaviour’). Since he’s proved himself a complete fuckwit in other circumstances, then it’s the boot and good riddance.
