This reminds me of something a local comedian, Stoney Burke, said during one of his daily “speeches” at my former campus:
"I hear now they want to put people in jail for sodomy.
(Pause)
In JAIL!? Where they can get even MORE of it!?"
“Shut up! I’m having a rhetorical conversation!”
Hey, Orion - I’m a homo. Let’s adopt!
Never mind - let’s take an English class!
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
If you go back 30-40 year, when homosexual activity was illegal in most counties (also in Western Europe), you will see that these nations wasn’t theocracy. And look at East Europe, -these countries where and are atheistic.
The Middle East have an extreme way to deal with this, you can’t compere these nations with Europe, America and Ocenania (and parts of Asia). (In the Middle East one seems to get killed if you steal an apple)
Many democratic nations have a law against this. (but of course, not in West-Europe & North America anylonger)
My view is that the gay movement in USA, in the 70’s (“when they startet to come out and be proud about it”), did very much harm to society, both in US and rest of the world. I just gonna say one thing: AIDS
If this act was illegal, I believe that many life would have been spared. Mostly the lives of gay men. I have the impression that many gay men have lost a partner because of AIDS.
My opinion is that a persion who are involved in homosexual act is doing great injustice to the society and himselfe/herselfe.
Orion, how old are you?
ORION, all we’re asking for is one just one verifiable, justifiable, reasonable objection. Not “it did a lot of damage”, not “AIDS!”, not "I think . . . ".
AIDS, for instance, can be transmitted by heterosexual sex, by mother to child through the placenta, by tainted blood transfusion, and by sharing “dirty” needles. Homosexual sex just happened to be the vector by which it reached the US and Europe. In Asia and Africa nearly all cases are transmitted by heterosexual sex. Want to outlaw that too?
And if you want to find a mode of sex that’s probably least responsible for the spread of AIDS, talk to some lesbians. Their risk factors are lower than homosexual men, heterosexual women, and heterosexual men, so according to your article, we should outlaw all sex but lesbian sex (the guys would only get to watch).
So, you don’t like homosexual sex, Orion. Okay. So don’t have any. I don’t much like brussel sprouts. I don’t eat any. I also don’t try to outlaw other people from eating brussel sprouts or try to declare brussel sprout eating as a sin against God and decent, moral people. But I’m silly that way.
Your personal preferences and religious beliefs are your own. Revel in them. Just don’t try to force me to live by them. If you do, I will take a crowbar and pack your ass with brussel sprouts in defense of my own rights.
Not quite. In this case, you are comparing homosexuality to rape. This is a second cousin to saying that women who are raped are not only asking for it, but enjoy it.
To imply that prison is a homosexual’s paradise is naive, at best.
Okay, let me get this straight. First off, Orion, you believe that homosexuals should be forced to deny their nature in order to make you feel more comfortable about your society. Sorry, but we’re guaranteed to the right to pursue our own happiness as citizens of these United States. And these are our gay citizens; they should be able to enjoy the same rights as the rest of us do.
By your definition, then, heterosexual marriages are not private either, as you’re using them as a benchmark for behavior of gay marriages as well. I don’t know if you’re having sex or married yet, but if you stand behind this legislation, you better kiss blowjobs and anal sex with your wife/girlfriend goodbye:
sodomy 1. copulation with a member of the same sex or with an animal 2. non-coital and especially anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
We’re talking about consensual sex between two parties, neither of which is you. I can’t believe you have any say in it whatsoever.
So no, I don’t think it should be a crime again, and no, I don’t believe they should be sentenced to prison. Society would be far better served if law enforcement agencies spent their time and money investigating hate crimes and imprisoning perpetrators of hate crimes.
“I’ll give you guys a dollar if you make out right now.”
-Vblaise, coaxing forth the mating ritual of reluctant Dopers.
While I agree with the spirit of your post, I’m not sure about this one fact.
Is homosexuality genetic? I know 2 sets of identical twins where one is gay and the other straight. Nature? Nurture? It seems to be neither. But actually, I think the nurture component comes out on top here. Even in the womb, differing positions of the foetuses (foetii? foetum?) can influence personality. Identical twins, therefore, are never truly identical.
So “nurture” would seem to be the deciding factor. But in a very subtle way. Not in such a way that parents can say “oh, if only we’d spanked Billy more and made him go to church, he wouldn’t be gay.”
t “i’m straight, but i do like some show tunes” dn
[hijack] tdn, you’re from snopes, aren’t you? Welcome aboard, mister! The board there was very kind to us while ours was down. [/hijack]
This has been discussed in the GD thread of the same name, and I have ranted on and on and on about this and related issues in the Pit. Let’s not get into them again as they’ve been done to death.
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
Flinx wrote:
Except we have (“we” meaning the general public), and we continue to do so – especially if we feel that the way of thinking in question infringes upon the rights of others. Pedophiles probably don’t choose their sexual preference for children any more than homosexuals choose their sexual preference for same-sex partners, yet pedophilia is criminalized because we feel it infringes on the rights of children (and, indirectly, the children’s parents).
Homosexuality is currently tolerated because we (again, “we” meaning the general public) have finally gotten it through our thick skulls that homosexual behavior between consenting adults infringes upon no one’s rights.
The truth, as always, is more complicated than that.
To phouka
It was among the homosexuals it startet, …and exploded. This is a well known fact, and I mean FACT. Just see the movie “The bands remain the same” with Richard Gere, Alan Alda & Phil Collins. It’s a sirious TV-movie from 1993-94, and it’s not very anti-gay. And that’s just one source.
“Dirty needles”, yes! but not so much as among gay men.
Many African people are uneducated and have little knowledge of prevs. Prostitution are very widespread in both Africa and Asia (except in moslem countries). By the way, it started later in Asia and Africa. (Many say that it came from Africa orginally, but the disease exploded among gays in US, you can’t escape that fact)
I believe in God, but a christian: I’m not shure.
I Also believe that christianity is a heritage from our ancestors. We should show some respect for that. (important for America, Europe & Australia + NZ.)
And as I stated earlier: Many East-European nations have atheism as religion.
This is not just a religious question.
To Esprix: I’m 26
What are “prevs”?
Homosexuality is a heritage from our ancestors, too. Look at the ancient Greeks. We should show some respect for that.
Atheism is not a religion.
Well, your only other objections seem to be on the grounds of personaly discomfort or diseases (diseases which drug users and heterosexuals are also subject to, as phouka has noted).
I’m 24. I’m also appalled. Please pick up a book on grammar, logical reasoning and learn to use a spell-check and/or a dictionary. You’re making my generation look bad.
Yep, that’s moi. Thanks for the welcome.
Sorry. I’m the new kid (hanging my head in shame).
To Gaudere
prevs. = contraceptions (sorry, my misstake)
Are you going to apologize for all your other mistakes, too?
David: Are you simply being facetious?
David B:woof woof! hi puppy! 
I smell toast…
Pedophilia, as way of thinking, is not illegal.
Member posted 02-29-2000 11:56 AM
Can you name one European country without a Christian majority (other than Turkey)?
And how is AIDS relevant? Do you think that allowing gay marriage, thus encouraging monogamy, will increase the incidence of AIDS?