I think we’ve got our first lead of the game. I’ll give scuba or suburban a chance to answer first but I think this is going to be about as good as Day one gets.
While I didn’t really agree with Red’s vote, I felt his seemed a bit better justified than Cookies’. And part of it is just a feeling I get from Cookies’ posts in general. Plus, when I read Red’s post, it just didn’t “click” with me the way Cookies’ did.
I am not sure I should really say this before Suburban has a chance to reply, but I also don’t know when I might get the chance to post again. Suburban’s comment didn’t really strike me as unusual since Scuba was the only player I remember volunteering for the sub bench in the signups and Suburban had just played with him in International mafia where he was using Spivac pronouns.
Out of game
Are you parodying this post (the only other place that term is ever mentioned)? Or is this some new internet lingo from some elite site where people talk like this?
/Oog
Nevermind, I just googled it. Guess it’s a new-ish meme.
Ah! The missing piece for me is that I didn’t know that Scuba_Ben had a connection to Spivak pronouns (I’ll take your word for that part).
Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Vote Suburban Plankton
I dunno, I went back and read it and to me it sounds like he (Plankton) was basically asking if they’d have to do that whole “figuring out who is male/female” thing again like someone did with that long list at the start (with the addition of a new player).
It didn’t read to me like he knew who that player was going to be (or what gender they’d be).
Idle - I dunno. Plankton and Scuba are the two players who explicitly mentioned weird pronouns in this thread (I went back and looked). Plankton’s reference to the weird pronouns seems to be a specific reference to the player who claimed a connection to them (Scuba).
But I guess your interpretation is valid, too. Probably we should let Plankton respond for himself, though somehow I doubt he’s going to say “hey, you’re right, I’m Scum and so was Ed. Nice work, everybody!”
Ohhh, okay, I understand now. I didn’t know that** Scuba Ben **had a history of using funny pronouns. That’s where ya’ll had lost me.
I agree, now, that it looks very weird that Plankton would make reference to a player known for using funny pronouns BEFORE learning that that player was in the game.
Unvote Ushimi
Vote S Plankton
first of all, Scuba_Ben announced during the ‘set-up’ portion of the game that he wouldn’t be playing off the bat, but would like to be on stand-by as a sub.
Post 35:
A while later, peeker asks about gender. I recalled Scuba_Ben’s use of Spivak pronouns in International Mafia, where he and I had a brief conversation on the subject, and I made this post.
Post 67:
Scuba_Ben replied a little while later.
Post 86
So, when it was announced that **Ed **was going to be subbed out, my mind went back to this conversation from the beginning of the game, and I made my comment about “deciphering those funny pronouns” as a way to make a light-hearted jab at Ben, and because I figured there was a fair chance that **Ben **would actually be the sub, since he had expressly mentioned that he would be available for just such a need.
Sorry, no PIS here, no ‘accidental post’, no reading the forbidden thread. Just a joke, and evidence that occasionally I *do *pay closer attention to things than the rest of you, apparently.
Cookies and Red Skeezix are voting for Chronos for different reasons. Why is it unfair to find one reason suspect, and one not?
Red Skeezix:
Red is voting for Chronos because he feels Chronos is laying support for a future backpedal. He further supports his vote by saying it “reeks of fear,” a claim I don’t agree with but accept as a fair analysis. The crux of his vote is that it doesn’t strike him as a town thing to say. This is similar to one of Cookie’s reasons, but not identical.
Cookies:
I’ve explained my issues with this post before. Cookies isn’t saying it’s not a town thing to say. Cookies is saying it actively does not help town. That’s such a patently ridiculous claim that it immediately jumped out at me. Cookies is also voting for Chronos for apparent baiting, which I also didn’t see.
A follow-up question for you: I’m unclear on whether your “ping meter” comment referred to me and MentalGuy, or Red and Cookies. Could you clarify, please?
NETA: I type all that out, and forgot the Plankton issue. My vote stands on Cookies for now; I’m willing to give SP the chance to defend himself first.
NETA, take two: And now I see he beat me to it anyway. Way to go, Astral.
Suburban, your reasoning seems fine to me.
As it happens, by the time Plankton cringed at the thought of Spivak pronouns, I had already confirmed with Mahaloth that I was at the top of the sub list. Would it help if I provided the timestamp and eir PM?
Aw bugger. There I go again. :smack: I have sexes for the players but not the mod…
Yeah, I buy it.
Unvote.
The person I’m most suspicious of right now remains to be Ushimi for, among many other things (including being over the top and seeming like he’s acting too “furious” for his own good), the fact he was voting for Ed, yet doesn’t find Scuba Ben (Ed’s replacement) worthy of one. And while this was not my reason for voting originally (it was just because he was insulting and I wanted to poke a little harmless fun at him)…it’s a good reason to (again) now.
Vote Ushimi
Actually, I don’t think that would help at all. Although you and Mahaloth may had already confirmed things, nobody here knew that.
Quoth Red Skeezix:
Fair enough. At the time, I was figuring that a single vote was no big deal, and that if I spent too much energy defending it I might turn the thread into a big back-and-forth between the two of us, distracting from everything else. But of course, votes ended up getting spread pretty widely for a while there, so one voted ended up being significant after all.
But to address your original argument: First of all, I have a habit (which I actively cultivate) in all of my communications of including disclaimers. It’s part of a scientific effort to be sure I’m telling the whole story. And second, while I would not say that I have a fear of being lynched, I (like everyone else in the game) would obviously prefer not to be. For one thing, the death of any Townie hurts the Town as a whole, and thus hurts my own chances of winning. And for another thing, of course, I play this game because it’s fun, and getting lynched would mean I wouldn’t have the fun of playing any more.
On the current Plankton/Scuba issue: First of all, to be fair (and as MentalGuy has already posted), Scuba was the only one who said he’d sub, so Plankton might have just guessed that it’d be him. And while I can see the moderator maybe informing the Scum specially, why would he do so 90 minutes (more than that, really, since in this scenario there had to be some time lapse between Mahaloth telling the Scum and Suburban seeing it) before the rest of the board?
Also, if the argument’s true, it seems to implicate both of them equally, so there’s the question of which of the two we should lynch first. Can anyone come up with a scenario where there’s anything to it, but where only one or the other is Scum?
Eh, it’s probably still better than anything else I’d be able to come up with before Dusk, and I’m already voting for Scuba anyway as a carry-over from my vote on ed, so I might as well just stay there. And I probably won’t be able contribute much more before then, either, since my afternoon and evening are pretty busy today.
**
Vote Count:
Idlethoughts(1): Suburban
Peeker(1): ScubaBen
ScubaBen(1): Chronos
Chronos(1): Redskeezix
Pleonast(1): Meeko
Ushimi(5): peeker, Cometothedarkside, Oneandonly, Chipacabra, Idle
Cometothedarkside(2): Mentalguy, Astral
Suburbanplankton(2): Pleonast, story
Day One ends in a little over 25 hours.**
I can’t get behind the case (or cases) on ushimitsudoki.
The first votes on him seemed to be based on his attitude, not on his actual gameplay. While I can understand them at the time, I don’t think they stand up on their own.
I see the argument that if he thought Ed/Ben was Scum before, then he ought to think that Ed/Ben is Scum now. But I don’t think it’s a great argument. This is still Day 1, and whatever case **ushi **had against **Ed **was not a “very strong” one. It had to be based primarily on **Ed’s **behavior, because we don’t really have much else to base a case on at this point. So I can understand him not wanting to lynch **Ben **based upon **Ed’s **behavior.
If this were, say, Day 3 or 4, I would have a different opinion, because by that point a vote ought to have some ‘meat’ behind it regardless of the parson behind the role. But this early on I don’t see a problem with wanting to give Ben a clean slate to start with.
At present, I don’t see much reason to change my vote. For that matter, neither is there much reason to keep it where it is. So maybe the pot needs a bit of stirring.
:poke:
Ushimi, you’re the vote leader. Care to talk your way out of it? Everybody else, anybody got a good defense of Ushimi?
:: looks at pot ::
Stone soup again? Aw man.
As it seems likely that you and I cross-posted, I’ll answer your question on ushi.
Although, as I stated, I don’t feel the arguments against him are strong, I also don’t have a defense for him. I think his vote on **Ed **was poor, and it seems to me to have been based on personality not gameplay, despite what he claims.
Basically, I don’t get a vibe on him one way or the other, based on actual gameplay.