You’re equating that guy’s assumption that those are all things that the democrats would do with “having done something for us”? You’re using some other guy’s assumption about what the democrats could do if they weren’t so incompetent as proof that they’re doing good things for us?
Because the actual democratic party hasn’t done shit for us. I also think his list is bullshit. Some of the stuff they’d do, but never, for instance, a wealth tax, because they are subservient to the rich first.
Because I have been right about every fucking step of this for about 14 years now. All of it. The surge to the right, the republicans losing control of the hatred they were stirring up and how the inmates would come to run the asylum, Trump, the descent into fascism, Republican willingness to buy into a cult and support their own tribe over everyone else, democrats not offering even a speedbump of resistance. If I were so inclined I could come up with a 10+ year posting history where I nailed prediction after prediction about all of this.
Trump is not going to face serious charges. He might get some bullshit charge or two about tax evasion or some sort of technical charge, but he won’t seriously face prosecution for his major crimes against the United States.
Actually, pointing out that some people… will never be happy.
So, you know, in that joke, the romans actually did those things the guy mentions, right?
You’re saying that those things, which the democrats have not done and do not have any reasonable chance of doing, are things - that do not exist - that I should be grateful to the democrats for? And that if I’m not grateful for these things - none of which happened - then obviously I am impossible to please and I’ll never be happy?
I should be grateful to the democrats for… things that they’ve never done, never been seriously close to doing, and have no realistic chance of actually doing in the near future?
Your line of logic here is so bizarre that I can’t even understand what you think you’re getting at.
I’m planning a vacation to New Zealand some time in the next year. During my trip I’ll set up a visit with someone who helps professionals immigrate to New Zealand to get a more detailed idea of what the process would involve. I figure even in the worst case scenario there’s still about 2 1/2 years until things get nasty (assuming Trump, Desantis, Cruz, or someone of that sort wins the 2024 election).
Of the things you’re so desperate to save which ones would have brought to you by current day Republicans?
So I should be happy, and grateful, for a conservative, weak, useless, always-loses, never actually does anything, can’t even get the messaging right, corrupt, subservient to the rich democratic party and enthusiastically vote for the most conservative and useless versions of their candidates, because the best we can do as a country is “consistently lose to republicans on every issue despite the majority of people supporting your political positions”?
We’re just going around in circles at this point. I’m going to stop answering you unless you have something new to say. Be proud of this inoffensive, bland, gutless, strategically worthless, “safe” democratic party you’ve elected while they roll over and lose the country. Thanks you for doing your heroic duty of avoiding a “purity contest” but never running anyone who will ever actually want to do anything to help anything or inspire anyone. Your strategy of “vote for right wing democrats no matter what” to prevent what’s happening now, even though it’s not actually preventing what’s happening now, is definitely worth doubling down on. We just need to find even more incompetent, spineless, and conservative democrats to vote for - it’s going to work this time!
If only that were the case. Unfortunately, it also seems to have inspired a significant part of the other half of the population to want to be jealous of that.
And you be proud of being the boogyman the right needs to be to scare everyone else right into the dictatorship you claim you don’t want.
I should be bombarded with messaging from the Democrats about what is going on. There should be a narrative, a story, about what the Republicans are doing. People should be on YouTube ads and Facebook, denouncing them as traitors. We should not be able to go a week without getting a message from someone describing how Trump tried to destroy the system. We should not be able to go a day without hearing from the mouths of Democratic spokesperons each day what the Republicans have done lately to undermine the system. There should be fliers, rallies, marches on a regular basis, widely publicized throughout all media.
Messaging, messaging, messaging.
This should be happening at every level of government in every jurisdiction: Interviews with the press, on television, on radio, opinion-editorial pieces. Every party committee should be putting out regular messages. Every local prosecutor should be holding press conferences to announce investigations and prosecutions of those undermining the voting system.
And also, what are the actions that Democrats are taking to improve people’s lives, and how Republicans are trying to block it.
Every story about a Republican doing something that undermines a system should have at least one story about a Democrat bringing this to the public’s attention.
It should be relentless. You should be able to stop any person on the street and they should be able to tell you what the Democrats are saying this week.
This is a war. But it’s not a war of guns. It’s a war of words. And the Democrats aren’t participating.
Relevant to the above as well…
You have to admit, though, that Democrats don’t get nearly the mileage out of screaming that Republicans do. Democrats definitely don’t have as many willing ears ready to act on it just because it’s being screamed. That’s a huge problem.
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be done, just that I have this feeling that it wouldn’t be moving the needle as much as many of us hope. Mashing the angry button has certainly worked for the right, but for the left, it’s audience and purposes… I’m actually not sure.
But yeah, we should find out either way anyway, no matter how well or poorly you think it’s being done right now. Why not?
I’d say that the Democrats are having quite the time warring with themselves at this point, as evidenced by this thread. Republicans can just stand back and watch as the Democrats tear themselves apart in their efforts to demonstrate that they alone know how to defeat the Republicans, and any other Democrat who disagrees is the enemy.
Yeah, it’s sounding like the advice to beat the Republicans is to emulate them as much as possible. That may win elections, as it is a good point that people are more motivated by hate and fear than they are by civics and love, but at the end of the day, is it worth it?
I said above, this is all very reminiscent of Weimar Germany. The liberals, socialists, and communists kept squabbling with each other, and the conservatives decided to go along with the fascists.
If it averts a theocratic autocracy, then I’d say it’s worth it. But you can’t win politics if you don’t play politics. And playing politics is about messaging. As a Democrat myself, I have no idea what the Democrats’ message is, and that is a problem.
Except that this is still the same United States in which Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election because too many people thought she was “shrill”. You’re not playing to the people who already agree with you, you’re playing to the people who haven’t quite decided yet. And one thing we know about those people is they will likely react poorly to what they perceive as an “over the top” Democratic campaign.
I think the slow build-up of the Jan 6 Hearings will do a lot more to gradually reel these people in. Just one more story of Trump awfulness after another, for weeks on end.
Considering that this thread is for those who believe in an immediate existential threat to the country and individual lives, I’m not sure you’ll get the answers to this that you agree with.
My main issue, as mentioned above, is that I’m not so sure it’d work.
By being the sort of person who wants to actually do the things you claim that I should be grateful to the democrats for? Your position is that i should be grateful to the democrats for stronger unions, higher minimum wage, a wealth tax, etc. Things they haven’t actually done. But as a person who wants these things, I’m the boogeyman that the Republicans are using to rally against and therefore the racist coup is my fault.
Your ideas are internally contradictory at best. You’re not making any sense.
Exactly. Democrats need to play hardball. IMHO it seems like Democratic leadership have watched Karate Kid a few too many times and perverted Myagi’s message of “karate for defense only” into “politics is for defense only.” We have too many Myagis and not enough teenage Daniels and adult Johnnys in elected positions.
We had more than 4 years of that already. All it did was reset people’s sense of what’s normal. It seems hard to believe that people would not care about 4 years of atrocious Trump evil that they heard about every day when he was president, but this is going to somehow move the needle.