All I did was point out things that Republicans say they like about Trump, since you all couldn’t believe there were any. I didn’t say I agreed with them. So of course I get piled on. Shooting the messenger is so much fun.
And it’s really not a surprise that you all disagree with those items. Because, you know, if you agreed with them you’d be Republicans. Tough concept to get I know, but there it is.
If we agreed with lying and corruption and graft, we’d be Republicans?
Sounds about right.
Jesus. Is this what passes for intelligent commentary now?
Clearly I meant the things on the list, such as conservatives being appointed to the bench, etc.
But you know that. You were just looking for a cheap shot.
Right, but that is the entire point.
The question is not, “How can someone support Republican principles?”
The question is, “How can someone vote for Trump?”
You are correct that you have answered the first question. But as to the second, no.
You don’t think that Kasich supports those things on that list? He’s not voting for Trump.
Now, if your point is that they are willing to overlook the corruption and incompetence because it is more important to them that they get those things on their list than to have honest and capable governance, then I agree with that, they do.
But you know that. You’re just looking to play martyr.
As a reminder, here’s what the OP asked:
Dead seriously. What has Trump done in the past four years? After you fail that question, what has he done that’s been positive?
The context is in the thread title: “How can anyone vote for Trump in 2020?” I simply listed the things that, from a Trump voter’s perspective they like about what Trump’s done. That is a direct answer to the OP. The responses were to basically call those things stupid, and to call me out for saying them.
My answer is: If you don’t vote for Trump, who cares whether you think those things are good? The question is about what Trump supporters think he’s done that’s worth supporting.
Is my list wrong? Are those NOT things that Trump supporters like about Trump? I don’t care whether YOU think they are lies, or even if I also think so. What matters is what supporters of Trump think, because that’s what the freaking OP is asking. I didn’t offer any normative judgements about the items on the list. Attempting to argue them with me is totally beside the point.
The only valid counter to my post is to show that the things on my list are NOT what Trump supporters like about him. I’m willing to concede that the left thinks these are all bad ideas. But that’s a non-sequitur.
Another perfectly valid counter would be to point to someone who does think that all the things that are on your list are good ideas, and yet still will not vote for him, and advocates that others do not as well.
No, it would not, because the question was not about people who aren’t voting for Trump. And I never said that everyone who agrees with this will vote Trump. I said that these are among the things that Trump voters like. People who aren’t voting Trump are not relevant in any way.
This should not be hard to understand.
It’s not hard to understand, not at all.
As I said, they put that list above having honesty and competence in governance.
That’s not hard to understand either, is it?
I think the OP was asking for more than simply what a Trump voter likes about what he’s done. It was asking, and I paraphrase, What has Trump promised and actually delivered on that merits a vote for four more years?
A few of the items you listed meet that criterion, but most don’t. An example of the latter I raised was “Rebuilt the military.” He’s done no such thing. If you thought the military needed rebuilding, and were willing to view Trump’s performance objectively, you couldn’t really vote for him on the basis of having fulfilled that goal.
I usually disagree with your POV but respect the way you put it forth. Hope this doesn’t come across as more “kill the messenger.”
Again, the list is merely what Trump supporters have said they like about him. Whether they are deluded or not is beside the point.
The point to the question is to understand how anyone could possibly vote for Trump. I pointed out that Trump supporters list these things regularly as what they like about him. That’s a direct answer to the question. It wasn’t an invitation to debate each point, as that would be irrelevant.
Every one of those points could be either false, or a bad idea, or something they thunk Trump did when he didn’t. None of that matters, if this is what Republicans like about him or think he’s done, and therefore vote for him.
If you think they are mistaken about them, try to convince them otherwise. You don’t have to convince me, since I am Canadian and I wouldn’t vote for Trump even if I wasn’t.
" U.S. says it won’t join WHO-linked effort to develop, distribute coronavirus vaccine"
The new America, the selfish even if it hurts us America led by Trump tells the world we’re assholes. And if it hurts us, well, we’re dumb selfish assholes, too!
" The Trump administration said it will not join a global effort to develop, manufacture and equitably distribute a coronavirus vaccine, in part because the World Health Organization is involved, a decision that could shape the course of the pandemic and the country’s role in health diplomacy.
More than 170 countries are in talks to participate in the Covid-19 Vaccines Global Access (Covax) Facility, which aims to speed vaccine development and secure doses for all countries and distribute them to the most high-risk segment of each population."
If “things unconnected to reality” are valid reasons, then I’m voting for Biden because he led Seal Team 6 to get Bin Laden, punched an extinction-level asteroid out of the sky and stopped Jared Kushner from eating a box of live kittens.
Or in other words, the fact that they are deluded is entirely the point. Because that is the real reason they are voting for Trump. There are certainly non-deluded reasons for voting Trump (the “conservative judges” one being the most obvious) but many of the other ones listed are not things that have actually happened or are likely to happen.
I would argue that wanting an overwhelming number of conservative judges is in itself the result of delusion. The idea supposes that mindless GOP ideologues pushing mindless GOP ideology would actually make the country better.
But how does that establish Sam’s list of “Reasons Trumpists will vote for Trump again” is wrong?
For Trump supporters, yes, they are. They like the sizzle, even if there’s no steak.
It doesn’t.
Just as when I go to my local Gentlemen’s Club, it’s not because I don’t like the wings.
Cold comfort there. It’s clear that the GOP hates America almost as much as 45 does.
ISTM that you’re getting pushback due to your glossing over of the fact that the items on that list are patently objectively, verifiably, non-debatably BAD things. You’re basically saying that Republican voters want BAD things for our country, and leaving unspoken any value judgements that fact may inspire in you.
You keep saying this. But I think it’s far dumber. They don’t give one single shit about America. Hate/love is completely irrelevant. It’s all about how they can benefit somehow.
Well, yeah. That’s why they refuse to govern with a single bit of competence.
This is the guy that Republicans like to delusionally claim has been tougher on Russia than anyone else:
" Alexei Navalny: Trump refuses to condemn Russia over poisoning"
“He said the case was “tragic” but urged reporters to focus instead on China, which he said was a bigger threat to the world than Russia.
Nato and Germany say there is “proof beyond doubt” that Mr Navalny was attacked with a Novichok nerve agent.
His team says he was poisoned on the Kremlin’s orders. Russia denies this.”
And Trump would be real happy if you would just look over there instead, at China. The boot licking puppet that is Donald Trump.