A quote from the article I linked back in post #569
We just feel really strongly that we have to send the message that … we deserve better than to choose between the lesser of two evils every election; to have things to actually vote for, not just voting because they’re not the other guy.
I think it would be better to continue this discussion in the thread I started over here - Potential for violent protests at the DNC in Chicago
…undermining Humphrey-Muskie…Kissinger sidekick and and [sic] pro-Vietnam War hawk…
If there are protests, there will be RW agents provocateurs there to ensure something gets set on fire and a few storefronts get broken into. Then they just rely on mob psychology to turn their match into an inferno.
Friends, I really don’t find pro-Palestine protests (alliteration alert!) at the DNC to be a worry at all. Everyone here knows that there have been a ton of protests on college campuses, etc., right? The right has already been making what hay it can of such things, and it hasn’t hurt Democrats at all (maybe in very specific races, not sure). That and Biden’s handling of the conflict itself are already baked into the numbers we see.
The idea that there will be a protest of some sort in Chicago, which will almost certainly happen, and there will be an incident of some type, which might happen, and the right wing will try to do something with that, which always happens, and it’s going to be some sort of game-changing big deal–that ain’t gonna happen!
“Oh look at that chaos in Chicago. The Democrats are in disarray!” says someone on Fox News.
Collective yawn says the country.
Yeah, but what if they burn the city to the ground, like they did in Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland and San Francisco?
Agreed. The frothing RW media can and will invent something to be outraged about whether or not anything happens.
So hand-wringing over “What will the RW media do if X bad thing happens” is just plain ignorant.
They, and their audience, simply no longer care if the “narrative” has any connection to reality and facts.
Do you mean after George Floyd’s murder?
C’mon, such speculation is not realistic. There will be some protests in Chicago. It will not be a big deal.
Here’s a simple proof of that (not a mathematical proof, mind you). There has been some chanting at Harris rallies. Not much, not a big deal. Now if there were extensive protesting at her rallies, that might signal the will and organization to do something big in Chicago. Since there hasn’t been, however, I doubt that they will be bussing in large numbers of people to do something there just for the fuck of it.
Campus protests are different. The students are already there.
Further, polling in Michigan is excellent. If there were a tremendous animus by Arab-Americans against the Democratic party, we would see it in the polling. If the argument is then that there are not enough Arab-Americans to affect the polling, then there probably aren’t enough in Chicago either to fuck things up on a major scale.
Yeah, moreover, for the RW media lately, they’ve been swinging in the cage without balls in the machine. WHIFF.
I’m not sure how much they’re whiffing with the only audience that matters to them: theirs. I don’t, and you probably don’t, spend much any time sucking up their propaganda.
More terrible news for Trump and his fascist oligarchs: he’s shedding white voters without a college degree:
I’m not going to call this a prediction, but it’s a new and very strong gut feeling that things cannot continue for Trump as they are. It’s the same feeling that I and many others had about Biden after the debate.
One option for him is to listen to others and start to fix things. The other is… something catastrophic for his campaign.
Sorry, should have attached an /s to my post, but I thought it was obvious. RW media equates any protest with non-white people with burning the city to the ground.
The key difference is Biden was able to recognize the best thing was for him to withdraw.
Trump will never see it that way. His chokehold on the RNC is so complete they will never push for it to happen either.
And this has been a recognized, continuing pattern for Trump. His coalition is shifting under his feet. From July 29th, but still relevant (my emphasis):
Former President Donald Trump has a serious problem with white men: They don’t want to vote for him. At least, not the way they did in 2016.
To plug the hole in Trump’s boat, the former president brought in Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, intending to “leave him in Pennsylvania” and secure blue-collar workers across the Rust Belt—namely, white men. Trump’s advisers believe that Vance could help keep white male voters on board, according to The Washington Post.
Trump’s problem with white guys is nothing new. In April, an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist survey found that the demographics that historically supported Trump have begun to shift and the groundswell of support from white male voters that Trump had experienced in 2016 was dissipating.
Whoosh! 
Although, you helped me spell out the argument for the doom-‘n’-gloomers here, lol.
Interesting! I had not thought of the Vance pick in those terms before…
I think Trump could see it that way, inasmuch as he has a strong instinct for self-preservation and staying out of prison is more important to him than winning the election.
But more likely, I think, is a donor revolt. He apparently has started to harangue big donors for not doing exactly as he likes:
Once Biden started losing the donors, it was only a matter of time.
Miriam Adelson is the only donor I know of who has been “harangued”. She’s a big donor and I’ve seen reporting DJT is going to meet with her to smooth this over.
Fair enough, but she’s really big!
If he’s unhinged enough to go off on her, how is he treating others? is a question to ask, I think.
The tweet(s) were sent by an aide, not actually by Trump. I’m sure he will blame the underling when he makes nice with Adelson.
Slight modification: Biden came to believe the best thing for the country was for him to withdraw, regardless of what was best for himself personally.
Trump has never cared about what is best for the country, and staying in the race is definitely best for himself if he wants to avoid prison and/or massive fines.