How can I help my depressed family member?

My brother, who has been diagnosed with severe depression but is currently unmedicated just lost his job. He lives by himself, within driving distance for me. He doesn’t want anybody to come to his apartment, however, because it’s a mess (i.e. no room to even sit down). He has very little money saved, and that will soon be a worry for him. He won’t visit people because he doesn’t want to spend money on gas.

I know that he needs support from his friends and family, but I don’t know how to help him. Is there an organization that I can call that will tell me how to help? Can any Dopers who have been through this, either as a depressed person or as their loved one suggest anything that I can do? I’m at a loss here and don’t even know the right questions to ask. Can somebody please point me in the right direction?

Depression can be hard on the whole family, and you’re a good guy to want to help. I don’t have a lot of suggestions, but one thing that may really help him is to get his place cleaned up. He may initially balk at you wanting to help, but maybe if you just show up and talk to him a little about it, he may let you help him.

Sometimes the clutter and mess can make the depression even worse, because it’s so overwhelming. Once he gets it cleaned up, he’ll feel a sense of order again in his life and it may be easier for him to see the bright side of other facets of his life as well.

Good luck with your efforts. I’m sure he’ll appreciate it, maybe not now, but down the road.

Is your brother seeing a doctor or therapist? If he lost his job, he must be without health insurance, which is a really difficult position when you’re depressed. You might want to encourage your brother to look into counselors who charge on a sliding scale; I recommend calling your local United Way or checking the phone book for any in your area. When I was depressed, I knew I needed counseling, but it was so draining to have to call around searching for someone who accepted patients without insurance. I know I would have appreciated someone there to help with that.

Let your brother know that you’re there if he needs to talk. Visit him and make sure he knows you care about him and want him to get better. Sometimes just knowing that someone gives a damn about you makes a big difference.

It is very hard to give suggestions that may well help. As a long time depressed person I know that often help doesn’t get the correct response from me. That said, here are some guidelines that may be useful.

  1. Be supportive, and avoid any addition to your Brother’s negative feelings.
    That means, never let on that his house is a mess, or that it needs cleaning. This would likely only make himself like himself less.

  2. Suggest things to do together. Expect lots of excuses not to do things, and refusals, but sometimes his spirits may be up enough for him to accept.

  3. Be supportive. Try to be an ear he can talk to about anything, don’t be judgemental. You can guarantee any judgement you might make against him he is making 10,000 times worse against himself.

  4. Be positive about therapy, and or anti-depressants, they deffinately can help, some types don’t work for some people, so if one type fails don’t let him give up on medication alltogether.

  5. Be supportive. Watch he doesn’t get into drinking too-much, taking drugs, gambeling or other vices.

Oh and did I mention, please be supportive.

Oh, I hadn’t thought of the United Way. That’s a good thought. My brother isn’t seeing a therapist now. He gave it a shot a couple of years ago but didn’t click with the therapist and never tried another. Same thing with the medication.

The sad thing with him is that his self-esteem is so low. He doesn’t want me to worry about him, and I know that it’s because he doesn’t think he’s worth it. I want to try to make him feel like he is, and that he has a lot of friends who love him and want him to be well.

There is a little conflicting advice here - help him clean his apartment and don’t be critical of it. Would it be best to compromise wait until he says the apartment is a mess and then offer to help?

Of course I understand that depression isn’t the same for everyone, but I really appreciate the insights. I’m generally naturally perky, with a decent self esteem, so it’s hard for me to relate except in an I-love-my-brother way.

You hit the ‘bugger’ on the head, you both mustn’t help him think he is a failure for having a messy appartment, and you also should help him to have a clean appartment. This is where general advice from people who don’t know your brother will fail.
I’ll tell you what works and doesn’t work for me:

Mother says, hope your appartment is tidy <bzzt bad>. What you havn’t vacumumed for over a week <bzzt bad>, No wonder you can’t get a girlfriend if she saw your appartment she’d run screaming <do you want me to go get a gun now mum, or would you rather me shoot myself after you hang up the phone>

Mother says how is the cooking doing <Ping, good I like cooking, I can talk about it without feeling bad>. So you’ve been cooking some new Chinese meals that sounds good <Ping, praise and it sounds genuine>, Are you doing anything this weekend <?, I’m noy so say so>. OK we’ll come over to try that new Chinese your making <bzzt, that’s taking a bit of a liberty inviting yourself over, but I can’t say no, you’re me mum and all>

That final <bzzt> though turns out to be a <ping> in reality because.

Comes Friday, my place is still a mess, Mum’s coming tomorrow, <ping, I have motivation to clean my place, it isn’t for me (whom I hate) but for my Mum (who isn’t too bad, most of the time). I force myself as best I can to clean the place up on Friday/Saturday morning.

Comes Saturday <the place is STILL A MESS, but not nearly as bad as it was> Mum comes and has dinner. Now if mum comments on how bad the place is <bzzt, OK gets gun shoots self multiple times in head… GAME OVER> on the other hand if mum says the place is looking good <ping, I know your lying, it’s still a mess, but I did try> then things get better.

– does that help?, Cheers,Bippy

Sorry to hear this. It is hard.
I lived it with my husband, kind of still does although it’s 100 times better now.

Don’t give up on him. Keep calling, he won’t want to talk, but just keep trying. He for sure need professional help but it will be hard. My husband never wanted it.

Be positive, try to tell him it’s a desease, and line another, it can be cured.

It’s hard to give advice, like you said, people and depressions are all different.

Good luck.

Letters and postcards can be good ways to connect. He may not want to talk on the phone. A letter is concrete evidence that somebody cares. You can’t replay a telephone conversation at 3 pm if you’re feeling down. (Well, you can --the problem is in remembering it, words and voice tones can be changed from positive to negative.) You can re-read a letter or just look at a postcard anytime.

With offering to help clean, you might stress that you’re helping this one time because you know the job can be daunting for one person. Not that he can’t do it, just that the job can be overwhelming for one person. Maybe pointing out a time when he helped you with a huge task - cleaning the garage, the basement, whatever.

Exercise helps. Of course, when you’re depressed you don’t feel like exercising. You feel hopeless and it’s hard to believe anything can help. But even if he can only walk around the block each day, at least it’s a beginning.

One last tip – You say he has lots of friends. When I’m feeling down and extremely self-critical, I think of my friends who value me. Since I respect their judgements in other areas, it’s at least possible that they are correct in valuing me.

Please take care of yourself as well.

Bippy, do you know my family?

Papermache Prince, I never would have thought of this on my own. Thanks! I’ll write a letter this weekend!

I second this, as well, and was going to recommend it until I got beaten to i!

Depression is hard because you have this intense desire to be alone, to withdraw from everyone coupled with intense feelings of shame which compounds the desire to be alone. But cards, postcards, e-cards are great because he still gets communication and support from you that he can read and ingest on his own time.

How about taking him to a movie? He gets to spend time with you and not be alone, but no pressure to “be” anything.

Mithril First off: You’re a star. Well done.

Second: When your brother isn’t reacting to any of your kindness: it isn’t you. Depressed people don’t think about others. [depresso myself]
I’ve heard family members saying: “What did I do? Why can’t I help you?”
The answer is; You didn’t do anything wrong and you *are * helping. It’s just that depressed people don’t express themselves too well.

Knowing my house was a mess, made me even more depressed. Could you make a joke about it? Be a bit light-hearted and clean up anyway?

Letters or e-mails are good. Don’t be surprised or anxious when he doesn’t answer straight away, though.

About money: Could you leave some at a not to obvious place? Or again, make a joke about it?

And please try to convince your brother to take an anti-depressant.

Best of luck to you and your brother. You’ll need it.

Another thing that may help is to find some way he can help YOU. There must be something he is good at that you are not. Or just something that needs two people to do.

Things not to do (which you probably wouldn’t do anyway) include telling him to just get over it and cheer up. He would love to. He can’t. I know this is very difficult for a non-depressed person to understand. Sometimes you remember when you were happy, and it makes you feel even worse. Or you see/hear/experience something that you know you used to enjoy and you just can’t. Imagine looking at a beautiful nature scene, for example, and thinking, “Gosh, that’s pretty. I should really enjoy that.” But you don’t and you can’t.

He should definitely get some professional help somehow. Obviously I don’t know why he’s not taking meds, but there are a lot of them out there and they often work differently for different people. And when you’re down, it is easy to just give up and not continue working with someone to find the combination of therapy, meds, etc. that will work.

As a side note, it is often the case that exercise aids one’s mood. It’s also often true that when you’re clinically depressed you are hardly able to get out of the bed or chair, let alone jog around the block.

Oh, well said, MLS

running around the block indeed. hehehehe

There’s many ideas for things that one can do, but there isn’t necessarily one thing that will make it all better that I know about.

About being supportive, I have to second this. I’m concerned about the low self-esteem; will he let you be supportive? Not that it matters, as the only way you can really be supportive is to be so be so no matter what, but will he try to unconsciously try to drive you away?

By the way, how is his self-esteem low? Exercise is a good thing, but if he’s concerned about body image in this self-esteem thing, outdoors might not be the place to exercise.

Anyway, good luck.

if its a medical thing then not a lot you can do as its chemical imbalance but i think you could try these practical things

  1. go around and take him out for a country trip ( fresh air, walks… )

  2. tell him he is a great guy and we all have ups and downs and you will be there for him

  3. church

  4. the meditations by marcus auerlius… all that a man must do is be good and accept his fate to be happy

tell him to get off his sorry but and run 5 miles a day MARINE !

I do hope that last was in jest.
IMHO the “we all have our ups and downs” is counterproductive to a clinically depressed person who has only the downs and not the ups. Or who is in one of the downs and it feels like you will never get out of the well you’re in.

If he’s unemployed, you could check out low-cost mental health care options. For example, here in Michigan we have community mental health and they have a lot of good people working for them. E.g., my GP is so sought after you can’t get an appointment w/ him, but he still gives time to help at CMH. I would start by looking in the government section of the phone book under county and state for anything that says “mental health” or something close, and then call and ask.

Also, Eli Lilly, at the very least, gives away medications to low income people. So once again, his options for meds are not limited because he has no insurance or money. The paperwork will be greater, but there are options.
As far as dealing w/ him goes, I’d just say that you should treat him normally; don’t try to be a therapist. Set a date to go to a movie and go to dinner first and go home. Or tell him you want to try karate or something but you’re too embarassed to do it alone and you want him to go with you. I still say that Brazilian jiu jitsu is amazing therapy. Plus it is a great way to be around positive people without exposing him to the creepy religious types.

From my experience, efforts to cheer me up only backfire because they’re so easy to see through. So just tell him he’s going to a movie with you whether he likes it or not, and he’s not gonna get laid anyway so nobody gives a good god-damn what he looks like, so get his damn shoes on and let’s go.

In spite of the fact that I myself have been diagnosed with pretty severe depression, I’m not entirely sure what advice to give you, so I’ll just relate to you as best as I can what it’s like, and what you’re likely to encounter from him.

First, people are coming to understand that male depression doesn’t generally manifest itself the way that it does in women. Suicide rates for men are roughly three times higher than for women, even though women are twice as likely to be diagnosed with depression. Some if this is due to a general reluctance that men have to seek medical treatement in general, but a lot of it is due to misdiagnosis. The symptoms just aren’t always the same in men as they are for women.

For men, it often includes:

  • extreme dysphoria, irratibility
  • violence / abuse
  • risky or self-destructive behavior / behavior on the fringe of legality
  • insomnia
  • lack of emotional control
  • lack of concentration
  • lack of energy / motivation

The best way that I can help you see how these all tie in together and to explain what depression is like would be this – have you ever stayed awake for more than 24 hours straight? It’s a lot like that, only it’s all the time. You’re extremely fatigued, you can’t think straight, everything takes too much mental energy to process correctly, it takes too much mental energy to control your emotions and impulses, and everything pisses you off. You just want everyone to go away and leave you alone because dealing with other people is just more than you can handle, and you feel like you’re either going to break down or snap. Of course, withrdawing from everyone else is about the worst thing you can do, but it’s a very strong impulse. Be prepared for him to stonewall you and lash out at you if you try to dig into the problem.

The way I look at it is like this - the word “depression” is actually a pretty good description of what happens if you take it at face value. Your mind just slows down. Everything you do or think takes so much effort that, as I told a psychiatrist once, it feels like your thoughts are bullets going through molasses. It’s very stressful to just do ordinary things because it take so much effort. Eventually you start “shutting down” all the things that you don’t strictly speaking need to function, and that includes your usual emotional and impulse controls. The differences between male and female depression is just that we have different base impulses that are exposed by it. I guess what I’m saying is that you shouldn’t be surprised if your brother doesn’t act all mopey and sad like you might think, and don’t be surprised if he acts like a right bastard. I know I do when I’m off my meds. And he probably realizes that he’s doing it - that the anger isn’t reasonable and that there’s something not right - but he can’t seem to make it stop. And partly that feeds into the desire to drive people away so that you can withdraw in peace. That’s probably the hardest thing to deal with.

The risky behavior thing is a little harder to explain. It’s not like the mania cycle of bipolar disorder, you’re still quite thoroughly depressed. It’s more like a sense of abandon or resignation to your fate. It’s like the last meal of a death row inmate- you might as well eat all the things that’ll kill you anyway. You figure you might as well just do whatever the hell you want because your life is so totally f’ed-up that there’s no more point in even trying to make sense or to do things right. You just don’t care what happens to you anymore, so you do things that are obviously self-destructive without a second thought. It’s kind of a passive-agressive way to kill yourself, I guess.

Incidentally, most people aren’t aware that depression and ADD are very closely related, neurologically speaking. Most people immediately think of ADHD, so the connection isn’t obvious at first. But anti-depressents do somewhat alleviate the symptoms of ADD, and vice-versa. It’s one of the puzzle-pieces that might help you get a handle on what’s going on.

As for advice, well…that’s hard for me to say. I’m not doing an exceptional job of dealing with it all myself, so I might be the wrong person to ask, heh. I’m going to have to go with what seems like a contradictory game plan:

First of all, just act normal. It gets annoying and frankly kind of insulting when people treat you like you’re made of glass. In fact, in a morbid kind of way, it’s a little bit funny. I’m far more likely to say something that will hurt them, than they are to say something that could actually hurt me, in that state.

That said, you’re going to have to piss him off by intervening. Few depressed people actually seek the help they need by themselves. He’ll probably resent you for meddling in his life, but you can’t let that stop you. It’s mostly the depression talking - if he actually gets the treatment he needs, he’ll forget about it. Either way, him getting treatment is more important than a good relationship with you. Hopefully you won’t have to choose between those two things, but you need to be prepared if it comes down to that. It’s like anorexia - if all you’re doing is just hoping that it’ll get better, it won’t. Period. He’s got to seek treatment and follow through with it.

Also, Mithril, if you’re in the States, a lot of docs will give their uninsured patients drug samples. Months’ worth, if fact. Dealing with sliding scale mental health providers can suck - I’ve been there - but even short term therapy (six weeks?) and meds can make a big difference. Hell, therapy without meds can make a big difference. There are options, usually. Check your county or city mental health agency, or Catholic Charities, Lutheran Social Services, the Salvation Army, etc. If they can’t help you, they can often direct you to someone who can.

And kudos for you for caring. It is very difficult to deal with depressed people sometimes, and bless you for wanting to help.