How can I help my depressed family member?

Wow, Dopers are great! Thanks for all the advice.

This is exactly my brother! It seems, as an outsider, that behavior like this is what made him lose his job. It’s been hard to recononcile his obvious self-esteem problems (he is severely overweight and cannot get around much) with the ostensible arrogance that he shows to others. But that fits is well with what you described.

So I think my plan of attack, so to say is:

  1. Call him/email him often (every couple of days, maybe? I don’t want to be pushy)

  2. Find him low cost therapy and medication options (Thanks for all the leads, BTW!)

  3. Write him that letter. Should I try to get others to do the same, or will it be too contrived?

  4. Invite him to stuff. Ask him to do me favors (he’s a computer guy…maybe he can help me with that if I break something. That way, I can pay him for gas to come see me and feed him as well.)

5, which also is 1a, 2a, 3a, and 4a. Be supportive, don’t criticize, but don;t baby him either. And don;'t take it personally if things don’t go well.

Thank you so much for the help. I wish I could just throw a switch and make him well. But if I can’t, at least I can help him through this.

Depressed people (me) don’t want to be saved. We want to do nothing, almost to the point of hibernation. My mate Daniel drags me out to a “social” occasion every now and then and I “enjoy” it while I’m there but eventually run away home to the quiet sanity of my sanctuary.

Invite your bro the first few times then, if he doesn’t make it, invade his life and drag him off to the movies (mindless action is good). He’ll complain but deep down he’ll enjoy it. Human beings need social contact (evolved that way). Physical contact is good, too, just don’t go for the “extra special long hug to make you feel better” as it will be too annoying to be healing. Punching on the arm is good, but.

Use the D word. Tell him that you know he’s depressed and that you have no idea what it’s like but here’s some links you found on the net. It’s good to find that there are other people suffering in exactly the same way that one is.

Drugs are good when you get the right type (I used 4 before I got the best for me) and even now I’m still playing around with the dose.

Make an appointment with him to invade his house and tidy up. The hardest part of being depressed is getting started. Don’t plan to tidy everything, just, say, the lounge and kitchen. Don’t do everything for him, make him work.

Exercise is GREAT for depression, but getting motivated is almost impossible.

First of all, while I’ve still got the link handy, let me throw out my usual mention of Cecil’s Place, an on-line support group I set up for depressed Dopers. Please consider it one more lifeline for anyone who needs it. Mithril, please point your brother in that direction if you like.

Finding free or low-cost mental health care is difficult, but right now, I’d say it’s essential. When I was in a similar situation 10 years ago, I found any number of places which would treat me if I was a recovering drug or alcohol addict, but none which would treat me for depression alone until one night when I called a suicide hotline after searching my apartment for anything remotely lethal. Mithril, this will take time and hassle, but if you could do the calling and make the rounds for your brother, that would be best. In this case, I’d say it’s not enabling him in his depression; it’s doing something he cannot do himself. You see when I received each “No”, whatever the reason, anger, depression, and my mental and emotional paralysis increased. Please, please stress to him that depression can be treated and that he does need and deserve help. I didn’t seek help because I thought I couldn’t be helped and because other people needed and deserved help more until one day I wound up flat on my back in a mental hospital close to catatonic, almost voiceless, almost speechless. All of a sudden, there weren’t many people left who needed help more.

One thing which worked well for a friend of mine is ACOA, Adult Children of Alcoholics. The name is misleading – while it does refer to “Children of Alcholics”, in practice the people at the meetings she attended saw it more as “Adult Children of Anything”. It’s free, mostly non-judgemental support, and the link I gave you does have instructions on how to find a meeting in your area.

One of the worst things about depression is the feeling of being utterly alone and misunderstood, especially if you’re the only person in your family who suffers from it or who has confronted it. Simply finding out that other people have been through this and I wasn’t a freak or a failure was a big help.

I’m going to offer you one caution about mailing your brother. One of the ways depression manifests itself for me is a reluctance to open my mail, especially when money’s tight. As a result, a good friend of mine wrote me two letters which I didn’t have the courage to open for fear they’d be telling me how much he hated me and how awful a person I was. It turns out they were love letters, but I’ll never know what was in them because I threw them out unopened because I was too afraid to look. While I don’t know about what your brother’s like, if he sees an envelope in the mail from you, he may assume it’s full of you telling him everything that’s wrong with him and throw it away unopened.

One other piece of very heartfelt advice to any person dealing with a friend or family member who has low self-esteem and or depression. Do not tell them “All you need to do is accept yourself as you are,” then tell them everything they need to change. You see, speaking from first hand experience, the second half (or 4/5ths more usually, based on the length of the conversation) directly contradicts the first half, leaving the person you’re speaking to feeling more depressed and like more of a loser than when the conversation started off. I know you mean well, and I know you’re trying to help, but I also know how the mind of a depressed person distorts things and filters out the positive, allowing only the negative to come through. [Depressed person’s thinking]After all, why would anyone say anything positive about a creature like me?* :confused: [/Depressed person’s thinking]

Look, as I said, finding a good therapist isn’t easy, and there are some god-awful ones out there, but a very good one in Pittsburgh got me through last winter when I, too, was laid off and clinically depressed. Anti-depressants do have widely variable effects on people. Zoloft was not right for me – it left me puking my guts out on the starter dose and on half the starter dose, gave me the only bout of heartburn I’ve ever had. Wellbutrin left me jittery and gave me nightmares. On the other hand, Paxil, which I took 10 years ago when I was sorting things out, worked quite nicely, and I didn’t suffer the reduction in libido which some have, although being engaged and madly in love with that friend I mentioned (I finally did work out that he loved me) probably played a part. Friends, even friends who suffer from this disease can help, but even with the best of hearts and intentions, they can only do so much. I count among my friends some of the finest, best-meaning people in the world, but it was two good therapists who taught me how to manage this disease.

Bippy, congratulations. You have described exactly what goes through my head when Mum offers to come over and help me clean up, although I can’t cook, either.

Mithril, I know this isn’t easy on you or your brother, and either of you are welcome to e-mail me if you need to. Depression does tend to paralyze. I know. I’ve been lying in bed, full of tears and pain, wishing to die. There’s been a phone six inches from my hand, and the number of a good friend has been running through my hand, yet, stubborn and strong-willed as I am, I have been unable to will my hand to move those six inches and call on that friend. It’s not your fault; it’s not your brother’s fault. Tell yourself that as often as you need to. It’s a disease, like diabetes or heart disease. Like diabetes and heart disease, it can be managed, controlled, and treated. Please, tell your brother there is hope and it can better. I know. I’ve been there, done that, and lost the t-shirt in the mess. I’ve survived, and I’d like to continue helping others to survive. If you need a hug or a shoulder to lean on, I’m hear. For you, I’ll even clean my apartment! :wink:

Good luck and be well,
CJ

Do you two have something in common, say a love for action movies? Drop by unannounced with a Jackie Chan movie you found in the bargain bin. Tell him something stupid like “Dude, this is the most awesome Jackie Chan movie EVER!”

Go ahead and load the movie, push some trash out of the way, then start putting the trash in the garbage bags you snuck in. Ask him things like “You still want this magazine?” and put it in a box. Don’t make any comments about the putrefied leftover Chinese food you found in the corner. Clean up the place whether he helps you or not, but don’t ask for help. Pick up all the trash, open the curtains, let the sun shine in, get out the windex and start wiping the counters. Rev up the vacuum cleaner. Do all this while the movie is playing. Say “this is the good part coming up” every once in a while. Tell stupid jokes, bag everything, toss it outside.

With luck, he’ll associate cleaning up with having a good time. Either that or he’ll expect you to come back later and clean up again. :slight_smile: Either way, he’ll be better off for at least a few days.

Hey Mithril,
Whatever happened with your brother?

My gosh, I almost missed this resurrection.

My brother is living at home with my parents now, which I think is the best thing for him. Being alone is hard when you are depressed. He’s still looking for work, but in the meantime is helping some local businesses with computer problems. It gives him a little money, and he is producing some work, which is great (When I got laid off a couple of years ago, the not doing anything drove me crazy!). With the money he gets, he is able to pay for gas to visit friends, all of whom have been very supportive.

So, all in all, he is doing as well as can be for someone stuck in this horrible economy. You’d think that jobs in his sector would be coming back (mechanical engineering), but they really aren’t. If you don’t do HVAC, there’s nothing in this area.

Thanks for asking!

Having been severely depressed quite recently, my advice is this:

Human interaction is very important to help depressed people get better. However, family members tend to get fed up because depressed person says he never wants to go anywhere, has no ideas for fun things to do, has a messy house, etc.

Please insist on spending time with him. If he says no to one offered pastime, make more. If he tries to cancel at the last minute, insist on keeping the date. He’s not trying to be difficult–these are symptoms of the illness. If he doesn’t want to go out, insist on going over to his place instead. If he doesn’t want to drive, pick him up.

I’d recommend offering to help him with chores. Do it in a non-judgmental manner. Just having company to do the laundry, go to the grocery store, pick up the house, etc. was extremely helpful. Don’t make comments like “oh, wow, you haven’t done laundry in MONTHS!” Do say things like, “Hey, it’s not a big deal! I’ve read about this, and it’s normal. I don’t think it’s so bad. It’s kind of fun to do chores if it’s with another person.” Try to sound sincere even if you are lying through your teeth.

I found being invited to small group gatherings (say, 6 people, to play a board game, or the like) to be helpful. I could have an enjoyable evening without having to plan anything, and if I didn’t have the wherewithall to participate in conversation, I could at least listen.

Be pushy in a positive way. There is a lot of shame associated with being so depressed that you can’t manage to take care of yourself. Insisting on spending time with your brother will help him get over that shame.

And, in my eagerness to offer advice, I misssed that it was a resurrection.

Introduce me :slight_smile: seriously… just don’t do it like my wife …like we’re set-up for a damn playdate or something :rolleyes:

I’ve been diagnosed with plenty of depressions, both abnormal (wtf is that?) and severe… one thing about folks like us, there’s always plenty depression to go around :smiley: … :rolleyes:nahhh… it’s quite misunderstood though.

Threads like these always make ya wanna crack 'em back open and look in on things… or at least it does with me. Really though, you don’t have to be depressed to go out looking for hope. I’m glad your bro turned-out ok Minthril and really it wasn’t like earlier I was saying he’s depressed I’m depressed, lets have an “all-depressed luncheon” thingy. I was actually interested in Mechanical engineering; my father already took the Electrical side of things, hehe…

I don’t really always think is such a great idea for a bunch of diagnosed people to share a room and chat… if you always focus on this side of things, you’ll not get too far; it’s not just about being depressed sometimes or alot- for me at least it’s a form of addiction… as I said above you don’t need to be diagnosed to feel a certain way … it’s just hard for someone to say, replace alcoholism with depression instead… but when you’ve been a certain way your whole life, you “know” you; you’re used to lots of things and you accept depression as part of you… well, what happens when you really are sick of it all? (Some of us only halfway try) and you want to get better? It’s another uphill battle… cuz you’ve accepted it so long and even when things start to improve it’s just different-feels wrong somehow - cuz “that” has been a part of you for so long, so long that you actually “miss” this… because once something filled the area …and now there’s just a big “?” sitting there… and you know just where to find all the old feelings if want… if you give in to your “withdrawal” … you can be just like you were… it’s not an easy thing- but so much different from the typical association people place on the concept of “depression” … “no,” you can’t “catch” it… ">sigh<
hope this helps someone…