How can Romney win? Isaac makes landfall in New Orleans or close and if the emergency response is anything but perfect (or can be spun that way), it’s all Obama’s fault, Obama’s Katrina, and the GOP has a perfect podium this week for pounding on that.
And my response was based on the fact the article you linked doesn’t say what you want it to say. The theoretical bankruptcy it talks about isn’t suggested to happen until some time AFTER the election or by the end of a possible Obama second term. How would that get Romney elected in 2012?
As I suggested, it would be helpful to actually read what you link to before posting.
It don’t want it to say anything.
Take it to the pit or shut up.
Really? That sounds far more like language suitable for the pit than anything I’ve said.
What you seem to be missing is this - the article you linked talks about GM declaring bankruptcy at some point AFTER the 2012 election, at some point during a hypothetical Obama second term. The first two sentences of the article say:
It never suggests this is something that will happen between now and November.
If this is an event that might happen after election day, how will that help Romney get elected? I think that is fair question.
Maybe Kenm thinks it will help him get elected in 2016…
The perfect Republican response to a disaster in New Orleans is to ignore it, so yeah, they will see any response as a waste of taxpayer money. Now if it had been Omaha, Nebraska they would pull out all the stops to rescue right-thinking Republican babies.
Not only would I not want to, I can’t; I’m Canadian. Anyway, I would be pilloried as a gasp socialist.
The “him” in my post was Mr. Romney, not you.
And yes, I’m pretty sure all Canadians are, by definition, socialists on the American political spectrum.
You left one out, and IIRC, it “worked” once before; if the Republicans can get 218 House members and 51 Senators in the new Congress, which starts its session three days before Congress counts the electoral votes, all the Republicans have to do is to find enough “close” races won by Obama that would give the election to Romney if the results changed, and challenge all of them - both the House and Senate would then vote to accept the Romney votes as the “valid” ones.
Then again, there’s a small problem with this; Obama would still be President until January 20, so the armed forces would probably just stand aside while the people rise up and make sure Romney never takes office - and probably rewrite chunks of the Constitution while they were at it.
Sounds like someone is doing just that-- they’re saying the story is completely irrelevant to the 2012 election between Romney and Obama-- but you apparently don’t like that someone is ripping it apart or discussing its shortcomings, etc.
The important thing isn’t how they feel, but how it’s spun. Some may feel how you describe, but that’s at all not important. If they can spin the Fed’s disaster response as inadequate and screwed up in any way, then they can pin that on Obama and call him and his administration incompetent. You don’t think the GOP wants a do-over of Katrina? Of course they do, and all they have to do is recall the other side’s derision of Bush from that time and push it, word for word, on the Obama administration, then scream about fairness if anyone disagrees. And if they’re really really lucky, they get to do it during the GOP convention, when all the cameras are pointed at them and they can hammer and hammer these points.
How did those illegal aliens and felons get on the voter rolls?
Are they pretending to be someone they are not?
How many cases of this sort of thing have we seen in the last 50 years?
If someone is actually voting as themselves, then ineligible voters shouldn’t be on the voter rolls. If they are pretending to be someone else, then what evidentiary trail are you talking about? How do you find them? It seems like you are erecting some significant hurdles to voting in order to address corner cases that don’t really happen.
I’ll be honest, I was baffled and furious. How the hell did THAT happen.
To be fair, I think Romney is a decent man, I thought McCain was a decent man, I can’t say the same about their right wing running mates or the new version of the Republican party generally.
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Too many democrats are breathing a sigh of relief because Obama is not trailing in the polls anymore (thank you 2009 tax returns and governor vaginal probe).
Are you saying that we nearly defaulted because OBAMA refused to do something? You have a different memory of those events than I do.
You don’t remember that the first stimulus (and TARP for that matter) were passed under Bush and pressed by a former CEO of Goldman Sachs? Are you under the impression that the stimulus didn’t prevent a larger deeper recession? There is virtual consensus among economists that the stimulus helped.
You don’t think there is a broad mandate to regulate the financial industry after the financial crash?
You don’t think there was a mandate to regulate offshore drilling after the Horizon oil spill?
They’ve had their chance. Their behaviour during the last two years are predlude to their behaviour once they get into power. In what way have they helped get this country back on track?
I agree its turnout. Voter participation among blacks exceeded white for the first time in 2008. Especially among young black voters. You have a generation of empowered young black voters who stayed away in 2010 and we lost. If we win in 2012 because of them, we can’t take them for granted anymore.
The ratio is probably closer to 100,000 :: 1 than 1 :: 1. If you count all the folks that will not vote because the lines get so frikking long that they give up or the folks who dont even bother showing up then I suspect the ratio gets a lot higher.
cite please?
They just confuse you for the typical conservative. Its like assuming that a relatively liberal poster might believe in evolution, its not true for every last one of them but its true for almost all their fellow travellers. Its the company you keep.
Once you keep traditional medicare as an option, you have not really fixed anything. As far as I can tell, its a repackaging of medicare part C and some means testing of medicare benefits.
I think some people are getting giddy about a temporary marginal advantage that Obama seems to have over Romney right now because of his tax returns, the medicare thing with Paul Ryan, and the focus that the “legitimate rape” comment put on the Republican’s stance on birth control and abortion. The only thing that could make this any worse for him is if he starts saying obviously racist things.
I don’t see how things could get any worse for him. This might be the low point in his campaign. I mean, what else can go wrong?
You do realize that Republicans regularly win elections while getting creamed among blacks and losing women and Hispanics by anywhere from a little bit to horribly, right?
If a very similar catastrophe happens and the response is just as slow, then I predict that the new Democratic talking points will be that responding to disasters of that scale is impossible and that Bush wasn’t so bad after all, at least compared to those Tea Partiers.
of course, Obama will cover any slow response with a lot of jawboning about what the government is supposedly doing, and his supporters will label that “decisive action.”
Why would there be a slow response? It’s not like they don’t realize they are under a microscope; they will move heaven and earth, damn the expense, to get it right this time.
Obama understands economics. We had the deduction cut for lower income workers followed by the “making work pay” worksheet on the back of the 1040EZ and 1040A tax forms. We had the payroll tax holiday program. During these last four years I was responsible for saving my previous employer money by making sure every new hire had filled out the payroll tax holiday form. This is the most badass form of supply side economics ever. Businesses wanna hire people, give them a year long break from paying a share of the payroll tax. This is the demand support side of supply side economics and I am in favor of it. Hell, I lost my job and got a new job thanks to the fact that my new employer wanted the payroll tax exemption.
Obama understands that the problem is weak demand and has shifted tax policy to prop up demand and employment. Romney wants to end all of that and make almost everyone pay more taxes so the richest can pay less.
Romney will raise your taxes. Don’t you understand that? I am sure that at least some reader of SDMB is a business owner who got at least a little break from the payroll tax holiday.
One prominent conservative blogger seems to think it’s very possible, even probable (note that the title is about the campaign in general, not of the Obama administration in particular):
That doesn’t mean they will. Determination is not competence.
I thought people were more worried about putting food on the table than killing babies? Why should they be excited for the Republican National Convention?
Hell, even with Norwegian levels of unemployment I’d be more worried about a coming hurricane.
Yes, we also realize that Republicans are doing their damnedest to rig the game via voter suppression measures and that some damn dicey things have happened WRT vote counts in the last couple of elections in places like Ohio and Florida.