How do I find out if she's a gold digger?

I am extremely scrupulous about paying my own way with both boyfriends and male friends. But with guys who are just friends I take it to extreme, I want NO misunderstandings, and usually don’t “allow” them to pay for anything other than if it’s their turn at lunch or the movies.

I would think that the fact that she refuses to let you pay for anything is a good clue. But from my own dating experiences I’ve discovered that people (men in my case) that are putting on an act for their own agenda (such as players wanting a one night stand) can’t keep up their charming "I want to find the right woman and settle down’ act for very long.

I’d wager it’s the same with golddiggers. If she truly is one, she’ll likely get impatient and start showing her true colors before too long. I don’t know if this is true, but I seem to remember reading some psych study or another that said that the period of time people are able to put on this act is an average of 2-4 weeks.

Best of luck. It’s no fun being tricked by someone for their own gain.

I don’t think there is a THING wrong with this attitude, from either the man’s side or the woman’s. There are of course exceptions, but most people want someone who is in a similar situation career and income wise. Unless it’s a situation where there is to be a stay at home parent.

If not an equality in paychecks then one in contributions to the relationship. Someone who has already raised his/her children, but is still young enough to be working on his life and career is being quite fair imho, if they don’t want to end up supporting someone who’s not contributing in an equal or near equal way to the relationship.

This isn’t the 50-s, women are JUST as capable as men in the paycheck department. Why, unless the raising of children is involved should one partner have to foot the bill for the other partner to stay at home and do nothing?

If you are 30 years older, bald, fat and smoke cigars and she is thin, gorgeous and runs 10 miles a day, I think the question has been asked and answered.

Assuming you are both physically attractive (or both not particularly attractive) then the answer is, who cares?

The nice thing about a gold digger is she is motivated to move upwards. This means that if you get together, she will want to see you get richer and more successful and this is bad because…?

Many successful men (and women) are a success because their spouse gives them the kick in the butt they need…whether it is to stay in shape, do well in business, or learn to enjoy life, or all of the above.

Would you rather have an independently wealthy woman who was a social disaster and spoiled brat?

Say WHAT? Did I slip into “Brave New World” by accident here? What the HELL is wrong with dating someone with the intention of getting to know them, with the hopes of finding your life partner?

Since when shouldn’t you date someone unless you’re going to have sex with them at the end of the date?

OK, Grossbottom, let me give you some advice. First of all, don’t listen to msmith537 when it comes to women. He’s got some major misconceptions in that area which we’re working on eliminating.

Second, my cousin grew up in England and worked in London for many years before moving to the States. I was born in England and grew up in the States. I assure you, neither of us are gold diggers and the thought of being mistaken for one on that or any other basis is appalling.

Third, what sort of people are these friends who are saying she’s a gold digger? The people I hang out with would do so as a service, just as they let me know a man I was interested in was married. They’re a somewhat exceptional group though, with very little cattiness.

I admit I make less money than the man I’m currently dating. I also have an income threshold below which I won’t consider a permanent relationship. The reason for that is simple. I make enough money to support one person; I don’t make enough money to support two. Among the traits I value are competence, independence, and strong-mindedness, not to mention the ability to cope with the world as it is. I’ve nothing against temporary setbacks; I’ve had a few of them myself. I would date a man who was laid off; I would not date a man who was laid off and not actively looking for work. I want the person I’m dating to be an equal, not someone I need to support or someone who needs to support me. I admit there are times I want to be taken care of, especially this past week when I’ve been coping with an unpleasant headcold. On the other hand, there are times I want to take care of someone, such as the gentleman I’m dating who has been suffering from an equally unpleasant headcold this week. (It’s the same headcold and he prefers to be left alone when sick, which is why I’m not bringing him chicken soup.)

I’ll advise you to tread very carefully if you decide to sound out the girl you’re dating about this. You see, I once mentioned to my gentleman friend that one reason my former fiance and I never married was because we couldn’t afford a one-bedroom apartment on our joint incomes (any one-bedroom – he was living with his parents and I was living in a 12’ x 14’ studio apartment I called a “broomcloset with aspirations”). The gentleman mistook me for a gold digger even though we’d been dating for over a year and a half. I found the assumption so incredibly offensive it started a major fight. I couldn’t believe he’d misread me so. Being mistaken for a gold digger can be very offensive. Please keep that in mind and tread lightly.

If you want to be more subtle, look at her actions. Has she tried to pay for dates? I say “tried to” because the gentleman I’m dating wouldn’t let me do so, to the point where if I pushed the issue, I’d ruin the relationship, even though I still find that a bit annoying. Does she insist on top of the line restaurants or will something like a Denny’s do? Since the holidays are coming up, what’s her take on gifts? The gentleman’s sister criticized him for not giving me jewelry last Christmas; I told him if he’d tried to, I wouldn’t have accepted it. Our relationship wasn’t at that point. On the other hand, I remember a coworker and her friends trashing the guy she was dating because he gave her a cute, frog-shaped clock for Christmas. They said the only circumstances under which it would have been an appropriate gift is if it had had diamonds in its ears. They were doing this while she was on the phone to him. My advice to him would have been even though she was drop-dead gorgeous, “Run far. Run fast. Don’t look back. Being single is better than this.” What does she say she wants for Christmas or New Year’s? Anything? What does she plan on giving you?

What matters to her? What are her values like? Is she mainly interested in material gain and worldly success? It’s not as simple as “He who dies with the most toys wins”; my gentleman friend would also agree with that, to some extent. Please excuse me. I’m having a hard time articulating what I mean by this. Does she measure the world and people solely in terms on money and power or does she look for something else? Would she think less of a person because he spent too little or too much on clothes (gold diggers can be frugal, too) or would she consider other factors? Would she dismiss a fellow because he drove a used Hyundai rather than a new BMW? (Asks she who drives the cheapest Hyundai they make.)

You’re dating her, lad. You know her better than we possibly can. Different people have different hopes and expectations of how things will go in a relationship and what their roles are. Some of these are negotiable (although I still wish the gentleman would let me pay for meals more often!); some aren’t. For example, despite msmith537’s statement, “Now if you are on a date and the idea that there might be sex at the end of it does not appeal to you, maybe you shouldn’t date that person,” I’m not going to have sex with a person until we’ve been dating at least six months, probably longer. I make that clear up front, and I’ve never regretted it. It weeds out the riff-raff, don’t you know? :wink:

Good luck, and I hope things go well for you.
CJ

Grossbottom, are you otherwise in the same league as this girl? Are you considered, by those who know you and her, to be about as nice, intelligent, fun, caring, from a nice family, and/or good-looking as she is?

If not, then maybe she is interested in the assets your wealth or family’s wealth can bring.

See, a happy ending.

There seem to be 2 levels of gold-digging, short-term and long-term. You seem to be at low risk for short-term gold digging, that is the girl doesn’t seem to be going out with you just to get dinners and presents while you are dating.

The long-term risk is a bit more complicated to assess. Do you see this headed toward marriage? If not, the long-term risk isn’t really relevant. I think it really boils down to determining whether any feelings she professes for you are sincere. I’d focus on that more than the money angle.

This isn’t what msmith said. He spoke of the idea of having sex with the person you’re on a date with. I read this as basic attraction. Why go out on a date with someone you don’t feel attracted to?

Exactly

I don’t know any guy who would wait six months to have sex with someone. It’s one thing to take it slow, but that’s a little excessive. If you don’t know after a couple of dates, then it’s not a dating relationship and just be content to be friends.

People who are the most pre-occupied with their money tend to be very lonely people. You have some money. Big deal. Unless you marry her, it is pretty much a non-issue how much you have in your stock portfolio. And since you just started dating her, marriage is a long way off.

For now, just relax and find out if your personalities are compatible, if you share the same values, if she makes you laugh, if she is loyal and caring…that’s what is ultimately important. Remember, if she’s looking for financial security, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s a far more mature approach to dating than women who chase men who won’t ever amount to a hill of beans, but think that because he’s “cute” everything will all work out.

Personally, I would have never considered marrying a man who didn’t have ambition. I knew when I met my future husband that one day he’d be wealthy, because that’s what HE wanted. His drive to succeed is what attracted me to him. People might have thought I was the gold digger, but in reality HE was. Personally, I was content to watch his ass from the sidelines.

We went out a few times, but alas, it wasn’t to be. She was too shallow for my liking. There was digging potential in her, but it didn’t last that long.

Some of us have rather old-fashioned morals when it comes to with whom and under what circumstances we’ll have sex with. I’ll ask you the counter-question. Why should I date someone who’s trying to persuade me to do something I consider immoral?

I really did consider sex outside of marriage to be immoral, until an engagement ended leaving me in a highly untenable moral position. We’d sworn vows to each other, and joked about the wedding night coming before the wedding. While my standards have loosened a bit since then, if a guy’s looking for casual sex or a one-night stand, I’m not the woman for him, and it’s best I make that clear up front. Be glad it’s six months; it used to be a year. I can also assure you that in each case it has been worth the wait. I’ve had quality rather than quantity and no regrets about it.

CJ

Well I wouldn’t date you more than one month.

Why do you find his ambition attractive? Does his success validate you somehow? Do you enjoy the higher standard of living it allows you to have? Is there something about his career you find particularly interesting? You don’t just get to watch from the sidelines.

He’s not the gold-digger because he’s working for his money. As you say, your ass just gets to enjoy the ride from the sidelines.

I do know young men who wait years. They are christians.

My take is that is one good idea Siege has. And why do you think she’s not worth waiting for? huh?

I’m sure she’s very nice, but for me, the physical stuff is a big part of being in a relationship. I wouldn’t want to be with someone so uptight about that kind of stuff.

It was your commetn “I wouldn’t date you more than a month.” It should’ve been “I wouldn’t date anyone more than a month without sex.”

Read what I’ve underlined: You’ve answered your own question!

Put this information where it belongs, in the circular file. (Trashcan)

This signifies exactly nothing.

You don’t need or want and tricks or techniques. As others have said, spend time with her and see how the two of you mesh. You’ll know if it’s a go or not after time.
Any number of things can go wrong with a new relationship, and I suppose gold digging is one of them. From what you’ve said, she sure doesn’t sound like a gold digger. Time will tell, without you having to use any special tricks.
Good relationships are built on trust and honesty. Gonna be hard for you to have one if you are suspicious of her motives from the get-go. Give the girl (and yourself) a chance to succeed. If there are deal-breakers, they’ll reveal themselves over time.

Good Luck!

I pretty much understand with what msmith537 is saying here. If someone I was dating set up some arbitrary rule, “We’re waiting six months and I don’t mean five months and 27 days, but SIX MONTHS!” then I don’t think she’d be the person for me. If that works for someone else, cool, but that factored into a relationship wouldn’t work for me.

What I want to know is what the threshold for being a “golddigger” is?

If I insist the guy have a job, does that make me a golddigger?

How about if I insist that he have a good job?

What if I insist that he owns property?

What if I insist that he has a retirement fund?

Honestly people - I’m in my mid-30’s. If a guy in my age bracket doesn’t have those things going on, I have to sort of wonder why. I mean, it’s not a deal breaker, but unless the guy is a professional artist, or has just finished a fellowship in Neurosurgery, what the heck has he been doing with his time?

Perhaps I’m a golddigger (I never really thought about it). But to me, wanting your partner to be at least as financially stable as you are doesn’t seem like a bad thing.