How do Jews regard Christians?

We generally don’t spend much time thinking about them at all as a group so long as they leave us the fuck alone as a group. As individuals, we think of them like any other person and their belief system is irrelevant.

Hence John 14:28. :smiley:

When did “delusional” become a synonym for “wrong” or “mistaken”?

To be fair, the trinity reflect a peculiarity of Christian theology while 'elohim may simplpy reflect a peculiarity of semitic languages.

I am surprised how long this thread has gone on without an interruption. :slight_smile:
I am to lazy to look into Rabbi Telushkin’s Basic Jewish Literacy, but he recounts how Rabbis came up with an excuse for the Trinity that would allow Jews to do business with Christians.

G-d speaks or consults with a group in Genesis. Rabbi explained it to me as “The Chairman of the Board”.

So, did Paul screw things up, or what?

DrDeth:

You’re referring to the term “Elo-him”, which has the construction typical of a plural noun, but is always used in the singular form, with the pronouns, verbs and adjectives relating to it.

Agreed, that’s why I specifically said that it’s idolatry vis a vis Jews.

I’m an atheist, raised Catholic, and I don’t blame the Jews for thinking Christians are kinda nuts. The whole Messiah thing really does not make sense, from the standpoint of standard Jewish tradition. In fact, I’ve often thought if I somehow rediscovered the Abrahamic God and wanted to renounce my atheism, I’d become a Jew. Jesus was a cool cat and he said a lot of very good things, but the Son of God? Oy, it makes no sense!!

“Noachides”: see post above yours.

I just want to reemphasize that …[list=a][]Jews are not monolithic, [] the Jews that I know do not view Christians as being monolithic, and [*] the question “how do Jews regard Christians?” is not equivalent to the question “how does Judaism view Christianity?”.[/list]… and that even the latter question proves more difficult than one might suppose.

OK, so I gather the main points of contention are Jesus’s qualifications for messiahhood, the baffling concept of the Trinity, as well as an foreboding sense of future conflict.

I’m a nonbeliever myself, but I always find Jesus’s struggles with the Jewish establishment interesting. As I understand it, the Pharisees were the ones who committed to the letter of the law and thus had strict and exacting methods of ritual. An unnamed Pharisee in Luke 11:37-54 invited Jesus to dinner, and chided Jesus for not washing up beforehand. This opened a floodgate of issues Jesus had, as he unloaded on the Pharisees’ lack of empathy for the poor and their upholding of burdensome laws. Awkward.

Is this also a cause for resentment, in that the Jews have their old ways etched in stone, and somebody comes along and tells them they’re doing it wrong?

You need go no further-he clearly doesn’t qualify, as pointed out here, here, and here.

Literally!

Deuteronomy 13 told us there’d be days like that.

The trinity is a Tri Union Godhead originally it was God the Creator, the Spirit of God and the Word of God with the coming of Jesus the word of god became flesh (Gods word spoken by Jesus) the trinity then became Father, Son and Holy Spirit, not three Gods but the three faces of the one God an example is water, steam and ice all are water but in three separate forms

…who know different things, and will different things, and one prays to the other before later crying out that the other has forsaken him. You know, as faces do.

I am, of course, imagining a cop showing up at a diner after hearing that shots were fired: putting the gunman in handcuffs and being told that you’ve got it all wrong, man; sure, it looks like I shot the waitress – but I’m innocent, and I can prove it: the cashier doesn’t have a scratch on him! Ah-HA! Can’t explain that away, can you? Yes, to all appearances, they’re separate entities – but in a subtle and ununderstandably mysterious way, they’re also two faces of one being!

Sounds airtight. Can’t ask the cop to arrest that gunman, can we? After all, who’s to say that the cop and the gunman aren’t somehow just two faces of the same individual? Can you prove they aren’t, as it’s all such a rich tapestry of elusive wonder?

That’s not veneration though, it’s intercession prayer.
The gist of it AIUI is that god is one scary angry motherfucker you don’t really want to bother for your penny ante shit, and Jesus is also kind of scary to bug because he’s fucking busy. Also because he’s the one supposed to be doing all the final judgement-ing and you don’t want to get on *that *guy’s radar. Plus he might bear a grudge for the whole crucifixion thing.
So instead you sneak a prayer to Mary - who, as a mother who lost her one son, is supposed to be more compassionate of the plight of mere mortals - or saints who used to know what it was like to be just a guy to put in a word on your behalf to the head honcho.

And sure, it makes fuck all sense when you consider that god and Jesus are really supposed to be one and the same ; and also that he/they/it knows everything regardless of who you gonna call thus your shenanigans presumably ain’t foolin’ anyone. But it’s a tradition, so. You’re supposed to know about those :p.

And who is performing his mission admirably, according to some theological schools. He’s not an adversary of god, but an employee and/or a being created specifically so he would betray and yadda yadda, all so that god can know if you really *really *love him.

Cautious pessimism.

That sounds closest to the version of Satan seen in Job, which is in the Hebrew Bible. My point being, I don’t think a Jew would cite Satan (or angels) as evidence that Christianity isn’t really monotheistic.

It’s simple - Christians are really, really creative. Man, can they talk themselves into stuff.

Yoiks! Jesus got off light then, compared to being stoned to death.

I blame Dawkins, mainly. I think he’s the reason why all the self-identified cool kids had to start saying it. Feh.