How do these assholes sleep at night? In a pile of student money, of course!

I’m presently waiting for class to start, but this post wont be -well- posted until I get home. A curious fact, really; particularly when one considers the fact that a major propaganda ad campaign for this particular California State University surrounds around the fact that “we have FREE Wifi”. They don’t lie because, I mean, they do have WiFi and it is certainly free. Of course, the only place you can get a dedicated WiFi connection is on the first (of five) floors within the Library. Anywhere else on campus? You’re S.O.L. because the connection will be sketchy at best.

Today is the first annual Board of Trustee meeting for the California State University system. First thing on the agenda? A pay raise for the Chancellor of the CSU system, amounting to about an 11% increase. Do you know how much that person will make, assuming the motion will pass (the most likely scenario)? $421,000 a year. All campus Presidents and Chancellors also receive a free house to live in and $1000 a month for vehicle expenses. The Presidents of the campuses will also receive a raise, making the President of California State University Bakersfield’s annual salary about $280,000 a year. Oh, and he already drives a big, beautiful, shiny Cadillac. So does his wife, since she has a matching one she regularly parks in tow away zones.

The argument for the raise is the idea that supposedly we have to maintain competitive salaries for the executives, lest they run screaming for the private sector. Let me be the first to say: bye! Certainly there are good people that would take those jobs for a considerably lesser amount of money, let alone have the audacity to ask for a second pay raise in a year (they got one in January).

Throughout all of this, our professors aren’t allowed to print things, because paper supplies are dwindling. The budget doesn’t allow for paper, but the President and his friends need an(other) 11% raise.

Trash cans on campus are emptied once a week, while floors and white boards are cleaned maybe once a quarter. The budget doesn’t allow for full time janitorial work, but the President and his friends need an(other) 11% raise.
For some reason, I can’t help but notice that the administrative offices are spotless, while our classroom floors are covered in dust, dirt, and grime.

Classes have been cut, so those that are offered are full to the brim. Hell, I had a class where during the first class, a few folks had to be seated on the floor (people ended up dropping, due to class size). The budget doesn’t allow for more classes, but the President and his friends need an(other) 11% raise.

Assuming you get a desk, it’s likely to be cracked, creaking, and falling apart. Actually, most of the desks are those tiny lil’ half desks, which most certainly aren’t anywhere large enough to balance a laptop on. The budget doesn’t allow for new desks, but the President and his friends need an(other) 11% raise.

Higher up classes aren’t being offered because tenured professors are forced into teaching 100 level classes. Why? Because the traveling lecturers and part timers were fired. The budget doesn’t allow for more professors, but the President and his friends need an(other) 11% raise.

Our tuition has gone up 90+% over the last four years. The budget doesn’t allow for tuition cuts and extra scholarships, but the President and his friends need an(other) 11% raise.

The budget is tight, they say, yet the campus police added a brand-spankin’-new Ford SUV that retails for at least $30,000 (and that is before all the “police” additions they surely made). Now they have an SUV, at least 3 or 4 pickup trucks, and 3 or 4 golf carts. . . all for our campus that has no roads that run through it and that you could leisurely walk across in 10 minutes. Oh, and apparently they plan on getting a few more SUVs. When my roommate called the campus police to ask if this is the only SUV they plan to buy or if there are more, she was told by the girl who answered, “who are YOU to ask?” Only one of the people whose tuition bought that SUV, you dumb bitch.

Greed is a disgusting thing, particularly when your greed comes at the cost of young adults (and some older, of course) who are doing nothing but trying to educate themselves. One does wonder how they can drive themselves to work every day in their luxury cars, only to face students struggling to keep their heads above the water in the face of high tuition, books, and a shittily run campus. I sure hope they all sleep well in their free houses every night.

And even though I’m paying somewhere around 90% more than I did 4 years ago, we still don’t have decent WiFi. Assholes. :mad:

[Mr. Burns]Give the fools their Wi-Fi sauce.[/MB]

Shouldn’t you send this letter to say a local newspaper?

A well and good rant, but I think this is standard at a lot of schools. My alma mater was run like a business, and the chancellor certainly lived the high life. We students didn’t. It was a music school that didn’t believe in hiring piano tuners.

I hope you sent this to the student and/or city paper, where you might have a shot of making a difference, in addition to posting it on here, where you might just temporarily feel better.

(says the guy paying college tuition partially funding not only a new basketball arena and football stadium, but also the salary of a guy who’s trying to defend himself of plagiarism charges on both his doctoral dissertation and his master’s thesis – both of which, oh yeah, he got from the same school that now employs him as president …)

Oh, I’m on that. Several of the professors and fellow students are complaining as such.

The funniest part is that all of the numbers presented are supposed to be publicly available, since we are a public university. My professor was telling me last night that when he asked the President’s Office for the agenda (with the numbers) for this first Board meeting, they told him it wasn’t available. The professors have to call Long Beach (where the Board meets) to get the information, because our school wont give out that information even to their own staff.

What’s more despicable, to me at least, is the fact that while the Board spent January hassling the teachers about a meager raise they asked for, the Board gave themselves and their friends an 11% raise. Now that money is tight (but not so tight that they skip their SECOND raise of the year), the Board is saying that it was the raise they gave professors that makes it so we can’t have janitors and money. Uh huh, then.

The only professors I have that drive luxury cars are the ones who own private businesses and work as professors because they love it.

I feel (felt) your pain. In the five years I was in college, the tuition went up 20% a year. I was paying 80% more in my fifth year than I was in my first. Stupid state budget cuts!

I will say that I’m not asking for champagne wishes and caviar dreams (nor are my professors). I don’t deny that the administration deserves to be compensated fairly for their time, but I guess I can’t rationalize how they can fairly make so much more money than, say, the tenured professors. Worse yet, as people I don’t see how they can watch the institution they claim to care for crumble at their feet, all so they can buy a new Caddy each year.

You know, while I do care that those people are making oodles more money than they reasonably should, I would care a whole lot less if the university was thriving. If our school was doing great things, then you know, the admin deserves a little boost. When we can’t afford to have anything but disgustingly dirty floors, well, someone needs to pay for screwing that up.

It’s not just the grounds of the campus that are run down either, my roommate is a bio major and just yesterday she was telling me how the professors are always complaining that they don’t have proper tools. She said they had to dissect a turtle with a razor blade because they didn’t have the tools they needed (the school rejected the professors request for the proper stuff).

A well-written and long overdue rant, Dio. Keep up the good fight and make sure some folks that vote around your area hear about this.

Wait until you actually graduate and enter the private sector. You’re going to shit blood.

Most businesses I’ve worked for were not that bad.

Note that I said most.

We feel your pain on the other side of the country too.

While things have improved recently, a few years back the state legislature here said they couldn’t fund raises for any state employees, which of course included the employees of the state universities. Due to reduced tax revenues, a lot of departmental budgets were cut as well; and yet somehow that same year, generous bonuses (averaging $20,000) were given to the chancellors and assorted other high-level administrative staff. These folks already have six-figure salaries.

This caused such a huge flap that the chancellor at the school I work for gave the money back. Good for him - but it never should have happened in the first place when many departments were having to go so far as to ration supplies that year. And yes, tuition went up too.

It’s all awful stuff. What I’d be curious to find out is what the houses they are given are like. Are these guys living in multi-million dollar homes? I seriously doubt they have them in a nice, moderately-priced abode in the ok part of town.

But you know, if you don’t have to pay for a house and you don’t have to pay for a car (because you get a $1000 stipend for that), what on earth do you need $480,000 a year for? Sorry, Mr. Chancellor’s salary needs to be at least cut in half. I’m sure there are any number of folks that would be more than happy to take over his job for half the money.

It’s no surprise to me that this stuff is going on all over, it just blows my mind that there are so many downright greedy folks. I shouldn’t be surprised, but I guess that is my mistake for having faith in the inherent goodness of people.

I feel your pain. I used to work for the same college, but it was in West Virginia.

 We had a president who honestly could have been the love child of Dilbert's Pointy haired boss,and Hitler. The first year he was there he decided to "save" money" by cutting staff salaries on the lower paid staff members. Anyone making under $25,000 a year got a salary cut. Then in a display of leadership worthy of the Bush administration, he got the board to give him a raise, which was close to the amount saved buy cutting salaries.  He then proceed to cut services like cleaning, security and campus maintenance. 

 The next year he began to lay off what he considered "non essential" personnel. Odd that most (not all) of the non essential personnel were people who were close to retirement. Fortunately I, though not close to retirement was non essential (I ran the circulation department at the library, and supervised the student pages working there). I got laid off, which led to my current job which is much better in terms of BS to put up with.

The guy eventually insulted the Governor of the State and got himself fired :smiley:

I graduated from Cal State Hayward in 2002 (now called CSU East Bay, damn them). It wasn’t luxurious or anything, but the desks were in good repair, there were a lot of decent teachers, and the computer labs had equipment that wasn’t terribly outdated. Not all CSUs are rife with corruption.

True, but I started attending for the 2004 school year and, since that year, that prices have sky rocketed while funding has gone down. While I have no doubt that our president is at fault for the budget allocations on our campus, this is a system wide problem. There have been several strikes by students and teachers on a statewide level to combat the raises and cuts being made by the Board.

I can tell you that the houses our chancellor and system board president live in are beautiful and meticulously kept up. They can also walk to work.

I know you don’t want to hear this. I empathise because I used to be a college prof before I skeedaddled to the private sector.

The reason is that a person’s salary level is largely determined by:

  1. How easy/quickly you can be replaced (How many people want your job)

  2. The immediate negative effects of hiring a poor replacement.

  3. The benefits of hiring a stellar replacement.

An extreme example would be a surgeon. I imagine there isn’t many surgeons around for each job position…and the negative effects of a bad surgeon is death and maiming…and a top surgeon can make a name for who hires them.

Lawyer…same etc.

College Prof? Zillions want your job. Your replacement doesn’t need to be trained or anything requiring time. If you hire a bad one…well heck…you might never know. Hiring a stellar one? Maybe…but not for teaching. They would need to be a ‘name’.

So…College Prof’s? Most will consider themselves ‘underpaid’…but they are not understanding the true reasons people are paid what they are. They talk about ‘importance’ and the like…but ‘importance’ is not a direct influencer on how much people are paid.

This is why I no longer teach college…and it makes me a little sad because I miss it and humbly think I was pretty good. However, I will not go back to it except maybe late in my working life.

BlinkingDuck, that same analysis applies even moreso to the administration. They wind up with big bucks, but they do practically nothing for it (beluieve, I’ve worked too closely with a few). Some are nice and efficient epople with energy; they get drawn to the private sector regardless, because it offers less intra-office politics(!), more opportunity, and more interesting work even leaving the money issue aside. Most admins, from what I’ve seen, are lazy time-servers who have the right friends. Their “expertise” is almost totally useless trivialities no matter what degrees they have, and they neither understand nor care about the students nominally under their care and protection.

You’d think their jobs would be difficult, but surprisingly doesn’t seem to be the case. I suspect it’s because the job is extremely “reliable.” There aren’t big economic shifts, even in recessions. People still go to the University. The money is almost always guarrateed. University administrators are totally cut off and make few decisions of consequence, and then almost totally at their discretion.

However…a prof can be replaced quickly. I mean, look at a high school teacher as an example. They can be replaced in seconds…just bring another body into the room. If the teacher isn’t very good…it’s not going to create much of a stir.

A college administrator may be exactly what you say. I suspect, though, that replacing them takes more time and that hiring a bad one has more of a downside for the hirier.

Therefore, they get raises and more money. College Profs can always quit…we can just hire another (from their (the powers that be) point of view).

Yeah, and my 1/2 tuition scholarship stayed the same amount as the first year it was awarded- it was 1/2 of the 1st year’s tuition, then less, then less…