It’s my opinion that we truly do “all know”.
I don’t think I said that, so I can’t be right about it. It’s not that you don’t argue well (although your arguments here are definitely bad); it’s that your opinion, stated repeatedly, is super uninformed. More than that, you repeatedly decline the opportunity to gain more information.
That’s more of a belief than an opinion. Opinions can’t be correct or incorrect; they’re statements of preference. What you said is just objectively wrong.
Hmmm, I’m not automatically convinced of the validity of the analogy between same-sex orientation/activity and selling porn via OnlyFans.
Not because of any moral objection on my part to either homosexuality or sex work/porn, but because of the civil-liberties distinction between private personal and public commercial activities.
AIUI (and IANAL), the restrictions on government interference are (rightfully) stricter in the case of the former than the latter. A classic example is the fact that the government may legally penalize a racist store owner for refusing to serve Black customers, but the government may not legally penalize a racist consumer for refusing to shop at Black-owned stores.
This is because, again AIUI, the government has a more valid interest in regulating commercial activity dealing with the public than in regulating the personal activities of private individuals.
So according to that perspective, your right as a gay man to do whatever you want with other consenting adults in the privacy of your own bedroom is pretty much absolutely inviolable, irrespective of how “disgusting” or “morally degenerate” some people in your country or community might find it.
The right of a schoolteacher to provide commercial sex work services to the public while remaining employed as a schoolteacher, on the other hand, is not so obviously absolute. The state has greater latitude to boss around people’s commercial activities than their personal lives.
Omg…“makes lousy arguments” doesn’t exactly mean I argue well. Does it?
Look people of the Dope, this is me, you know Ol’ Beck. Beckdawrek. Same person. With cats, dogs, a silly life. Person who makes bad, bad, bad threads.
My opinion shouldn’t matter so much to you fighters of the big fights. The intelligence in the belly of the beast. Why are you focusing on this little tiny thing. It’s not even in the news anymore.
If teacher/teachers wanna post porn they’re gonna do it. I can’t change that. I don’t think even the whole Dope can change the way things are.
Fear not, I will not be protesting teachers and what they wanna do.
I made a statement of my opinion. Maybe I shouldn’t have, maybe it’s wrong, to some people (God, I feel like John Lennon explaining why he said what he did about Jesus)
I said it, I don’t know why. I just did.
Omg…you were telling Jay_Z he was being nitpicked, and I was talking about his arguments. omg
Sorry, my bad
I take your point, but… the government’s regulation of people’s commercial activity is primarily as government, not as employer, where there’s a bit of a conflict of interest. (ad absurdem, if you prohibit your employees from engaging in other commercial activity, you have much greater leverage over them as employees).
I’d also say to have a look at not-that-distant history for counterexamples. Being in a protected class (which isn’t 100% for LGBT people by any stretch: it varies some by jurisdiction) isn’t actually a guarantee of being protected. What it guarantees is that you have the ability to sue for redress, which is often an expensive years-long ordeal that brings cold comfort.
This is something that I think privilege blinds people to: just because people have kindly granted you some rights, it doesn’t mean you always get them. There are a LOT of people who don’t think that gays should be teachers, or, if they are, should hide their identity from the children. Again, see Florida. There are clear difference between the situations other than the one you mentioned, but people’s overall eagerness to regulate others’ sexuality and sexual expressions in the name of morality is the overriding common factor.
OK, but the real bad here is that you have said nasty things about sex workers, and incidentally, pretty gross things about me and my views of the rights of sex workers. You have advocated views that actively harm people, and smirked at the harm done to them.
This is not a cute little opinion you have about puppies or anything. This is advocating repressive policy.
If you want to apologize, read the Washington Post article linked above. Read what some sex workers say about their work, and the effects of repressive policies on them.
Educate yourself beyond looking at the front page of a porn site and making your judgments thereby.
Agreed, I think it’s indisputable that the drive to police “public morals” especially in the realm of sexuality often has little to do with anything that could reasonably be considered a compelling state interest.
And when children are involved, that just makes the situatin even more fraught.
And the further question is: Is it right that teachers’ jobs are at risk for this behavior while other professions don’t get treated the same for what is their private life. Would you be OK for doctors to have their jobs threatened if out having a drink in a restaurant? Or drinking in their home?
It seems to me that individuals holding teachers to different standards in their personal life than everyone else is a manifestation of the general “Fuck teachers” (NPI) attitude many people have below the “I respect teachers” facade.
For sake of argument let’s make this not a public school but a temple and a rabbi or the cantor.
The temple survives with member families paying membership dues. They have a choice of congregations.
The families of the congregation are upset. If the rabbi/cantor stays many of them will leave.
Is the board out of line to fire the rabbi/cantor?
I’ve seen this a few times in this thread and I’d like to know of those that claim that how many work as teachers. Because in my 20+ years of teacher, a teacher caught doing porn would be an issue for maybe a day or two. Certainly none would have the attitude, “I ain’t doing my work because I’ve seen your bewbs.”
Mostly students disrespect teachers because they feel, rightly or wrongly, the teacher disrespects them so for non-teacher to tell us how students would react seems like more of the all too common, “I don’t work in school and am not a teacher … but I’m an expert on how education works.”
As long as we can also fire telemarketers too because I Saint Cad have deemed that to be a disrespectable job also.
But not the absolute dumbest thing I’ve seen in this thread.
And if you found out one of their teachers did OF porn, assuming they don’t talk about doing a Dirty Sanchez in class, how exactly does that affect their learning.
I see it. Suppose students saw Dr. Drake holding hands or (mercy sakes) kissing his partner? Imagine how my two little angels Dingus and Dorkus are going to be corrupted. He has sinned against Our Lords Jesus Christ and Ron DeSantis. How could they ever respect him in the classroom again? Lawsy me, I’m getting the vapours. Principal Biggot, you fire him right now.
If a kid is willing and able to access porn, some other kid will say “hey, look at this porn!” at some point. If they are the type to satisfy their curiosity, they will go look at porn. There’s all sorts of deeply interesting fucked up shit on the internet. I don’t see how the prospect of seeing a teacher is naked is going to overwhelm a student’s curiosity in a way that nothing else would.
And in any case, I dont think watching a few minutes of pornography to confirm the identity of someone is comparable to watching porn for gratification.
Finally, the issue here is that it became public knowledge. The innocent student looking only for proof doesn’t need the proof any more.
The public knowledge is sort of the point. Once the parents and school board finds out, they want to get rid of the teacher, so yeah they are happy to let everyone know that the teacher is a sex worker.
I don’t know why the woman in question blurred her face in the video. But the point is that one of the reasons could be self-shame. And I don’t necessarily think self-shame is a bad thing.
There is plenty of self-shame regarding sex in particular. This seems to come from inside people themselves and has nothing to do with other people telling the person they ought to be ashamed. Maybe no one knows or the people that know approve or don’t care. But the person feels shame regardless.
Shame is a very strong emotion, and probably the least understood of the major emotional states. It seems to act as some sort of corrective or reining in of overtly outre or naked behavior. It’s a very primitive thing that has been part of human societies forever, and we’re obviously continuing to use it even if the targets have shifted. But self shame is a very big part of shame, and people can certainly feel it regarding sex.
Very different things, yeah, but that doesn’t mean that the experience of seeing video of one’s teacher, with their clothes off and performing (or simulating) sexual acts and arousal, is going to be a neutral or nothingburger experience for most schoolchildren.
Even if they’re just watching a few minutes of it out of curiosity, ISTM that it would inject a strong element of “weird and uncomfortable” into their subsequent interactions with the teacher.
Look how searingly embarrassing it is even for most grown-ass mature adults to observe, even fleetingly, explicit sexual behavior on the part of an acquaintance with whom they don’t have a sexual relationship. I’m just not sure it’s realistic to expect kids simply to shrug that off and not be affected by it.