No. Read for comprehension. And quit trying to make your politics more than they are. You can’t do it. Your politics are easily distinguishable from those whose concern over immigration is purely economic, and the latter have all the advantages of the comparison.
I don’t approve of Israel’s immigration policy, choose some other comparison.
to answer the OP, alert policemen / state troopers; and more of them.
checking forum: Not the Pit. Oh, well, I’ll try to restrain myself
Ah, RR’s real concern rears its ugly head. The OP asked “How do we prevent atrocities like the Norwegian Utoja-massacre and the Oslo terror-bombings?”, now it’s turned to “How do we preserve our Scandinavian identity?”
The connection between “our Scandinavian identity” and the Utøya massacre is that also the terrorist was trying to “preserve out Scandinavian identity”. Just what RR now is asking.
Since 1945, virtually all terrorism related actions in Norway has been by the far right. The revolutionary “Worker’s communist party” (AKP (m-l)) was, according to one of their more prominent members (Erling Folkvord, social worker and member of Oslo city council for 19 years), contacted by the German RAF, but RAF was turned down. Of actual terrorist attacks on Norwegian land, there’s been
[ul]
[li]The murder of an innocent Moroccan citizen in 1973, by Mossad[/li][li]A bomb attack against a “red” bookshop in 1977, by a neo-Nazi. [/li][li]Bombing of a May 1st parade in 1980, by a neo-Nazi.[/li][li]Bombing of an Ahmaddyya mosque in Oslo in 1985, by a neo-Nazi group[/li][li]Murder attempt on publisher William Nygaard in 1989, probably related to the Iranian fatwah against Salman Rushdie[/li][li]Gunshots against a synagogue in Oslo in 2006, by Arfan Bhatti, a Norwegian-Pakistani criminal who was a gang member at the ripe age of 13[/li][/ul]
The most vocal proponents of “preserving our Scandinavian identity” has been neo-Nazis and nationalists. Not surprisingly, these are the same groups that have been responsible for virtually all terrorism on Norwegian soil.
The later years, we’ve had instances where young immigrants and 1st generation Norwegian citizens from “muslim” countries have expressed sympathy for militant islamism and jihad. Not surprisingly, this is generally young people who have been marginalized and see little future because of they live in low-income areas, with little education and the low social status “muslims” have in parts of Western society, including Norway.
TL/DR version: So far, virtually every terrorist action resulting in deaths and major material damage on Norwegian soil has been done by people sympathizing with the same ideas as RR. This does not indicate that we prevent such things from happening by trying to “preserve our Scandinavian identity”.
Norwegian police has done exactly the same mistake thay did in the late 70s/early 80s. In the 70s/80s, they were monitoring the radical left, but it was the radical right who chose violence and terror as their tools. In the 2000s, the police were monitoring “muslims”, but it was a conservative, xenophobic right-winger who used terror and violence.
A possible answer to the OP, based upon facts about terrorism on Norwegian soil, may be to stop regarding non-Scandinavian immigrants as threats against our “precious” culture and start a close monitoring of right-wingers who express sympathy towards the type of ideas that both RaleighRally and Breivik have expressed.
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Let me ask you BrainGlutton: How do we preserve our Scandinavian identity?
Putting aside the question of whether one approves of it, Israel’s immigration policy does not “preserve” its culture. Culture in every country is continuously changing and there’s nothing you can do to prevent that.
You have convinced me. Let’s make Norway to one big refugee camp!
For the record: I didn’t want to answer BrainGlutton (for obvious reasons). But he repeatedly demanded me to respond. Sorry.
Kids, can you say “excluded middle”?
I knew you could. 
Since there is - at least theoretically - an infinitesimally small chance that you’re not deliberately misinterpreting me here: How the HECK! are you able to read this out of what I was writing?
:heads over to the RaleighRally pit thread:
Only penis-less people kill animals with guns for sport and recreation.
Correction: Only penis-less and obtuse people use guns.
Most people who hunt actually eat what they kill. I think he was referring to sports shooting, not sports killing.
One of those solutions which pretty much always has to be answered, “Nah. We already tried dat.”
I specifically told you to drop this charmless, stupid epithet. This is a formal warning.
A number of western countries have immigration policies that operate on the same principal as Israel’s.
Off the top of my head, Ireland, Germany and Greece all do.
In fact, I suspect that the same may be true of Norway, so you might want to try a better example.
Israel isn’t a soft touch like those countries in relation to asylum seekers (Ireland has accepted thousands of economic asylum seekers from Nigeria via the UK).
Israel on the other hand has granted asylum to just 200 people since 1954! Also, they’re building a barrier along the Egyptian border to keep out African migrants.
There is a good article here written by a Swedish conservative who points out that parts of the current leading liberal establishment in Sweden are having members of the Baader-Meinhof Group as their idols. At the same time he points out that nowhere at forums, blogs or whatever in Scandinavia, can he find any support for that disgusting mass murderer. Unfortunately, google doesn’t translate it well because it is written in advanced Swedish. But I suppose 2square4u can verify its content by reading the original version here.
I’d like you to compare the arguments in that blog post to this fallacy. I don’t expect you to see the similarities, but since there is - at least theoretically - an infinitesimally small chance that you are able to understand it, I thought I’d try to make you aware of it.
And no, there’s no need for a written essay on the subject given.
I would like to see a summary of that essay from 2square4u.
(Of course, I doubt that I would take the word of some crank who is up in arms against Masons and players of World or Warcraft, anyway, but your claim that “parts of the leading liberal establishment” idolizes the Baader-Meinhof Gang is not well demonstrated in your translation, (if we could even believe someone quaking at the thought of Masons). And the last paragraph seems to hint, darkly, that criticism is being suppressed. Would that include the criticism in that article? Was it smuggled out of the country? Is this one more example of kooks crying that their inability to oppress others is a form of “oppression” against them?)
You’ve got some confidence in my non-technical English qualifications :dubious: Anyhow, I’ll give it a try:
1st para: There exists a collective called “Raspan” (the Raspe) in Göteborg, the name taken from Jan-Carl Raspe, member of Rote Armee Fraktion (RAF). Two of its members are history scholars who apparently have appeared in Swedish media and/or public discussions
2nd to 4th para: Thus, there exist people in Sweden who seems to sympathize with classical European left-wing terrorism
5th para: BS
6th para: When such people as mentioned in para 2-4 have tried to form political parties, their support has been low
7th to 8th para: General info about Anders Behring Breivik (ABB)
9th para: The essay author hasn’t seen any expressed sympathy for ABB on the right-wing/immigration opponents/Islam opponents discussion fora, at least not after 7/22/2011
10th to 12th para: There has been expressed concern about meanings simliar to ABB’s in general Swedish media, especially from people on the political left who henceforth are categorized as “PC”
13th para: The “just asking” rhetoric: Why is critique of people who name their collectives (note the single example to generalization type rhetoric) with names (sic) from left-wing German terrorists more problematic than the existence of collectives (again, note the single example to generalization type rhetoric) with names (sic) from left-wing German terrorists?
TL/DR version: A jumble of non-consistent arguments, where the existence of one example of left-wing violence/terrorism romanticists - whom we definitely have been aware of before, but who has contributed little except some fuel for leftist bashing - is somehow tied up with the outrage after a real right-winger/immigration opponent/Islam opponent terrorist action. If I’d been a poli sci professor graduating a college freshman essay, I’d give it an E. Maximum. It’s basically an incoherent jumble of non-related arguments
ETA: Disclaimer: Although the three Scandinavian languages are different dialects of a common Scandinavian language rather than different languages, there may be some nuances or Swedish culture-specific references which I wasn’t able to pick up during my rather superficial reading of the essay
Thanks. That was about what it appeared, (the Mason bashing was a good tip), but I am not familiar with the names he was throwing around. So, rather than “parts of the leading liberal establishment,” his nonsense is based on a tiny handful of Left leaning academics.
What a surprise!