How do you spell PRICK?

Iampunha, if you loved your PBJ (Penalty Box for Jesus), you’re gonna love this (but maybe it’s Old News for you, I dunno. I don’t get out of the house much.) The Better Half stumbled on this website today at lunch while he was looking for something on Al Gore. All I can say is, “Golly.”
http://www.godhatesfags.com/home.html

Hmm, a Search with Quick Verse under “God hates” turns up the following:

Nope, no mention of “fags” there. Maybe it’s under “the LORD hates”…

Well, shoot, I know it must be in here somewhere. Look under “the LORD detests”…

Pastor Phelps must have a different translation. :rolleyes:

And possibly one explanation for why your PBJ hates Al Gore so much–according to Rev. Phelps (and I assume the rest of the Religious Right), Big Al’s a turncoat, he used to be “anti-fag” back in 1988.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/algore.html

THAT is what Phelps looks like? EW!!! He’s no prize!

excuse this rude quote from the above referenced site but this got me:

Um, and that same semen is put into your wife too, into an opening with a very large mucous membrane, which will absorb those same germs. How can they be so blind and ignorant? ::naive sigh::

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, this is the most awful website I have ever been too. How can anyone go to that church and show their faces in public? I would be humiliated beyond all belief to say, “Yeah, I go that church that hosts http://www.godhatesfags.com

I feel like I need a moral shower - so much hate…

Ah, but BunnyGirl, what you’re missing is that to these people, a vagina is a filthy dirty place, too, so it’s OK for all that germ-infested semen to get put in there. And besides, then it’s the woman’s problem, and doesn’t the Bible say that the woman sinned first? So obviously, being turned into nothing more than a walking receptacle for filthy semen is her punishment for her sin.

Aren’t you glad I explained this to you? Makes you glad to be female, don’t it? :rolleyes:

And the people who go to that church would probably tell you they’re DARN PROUD to belong to Rev. Phelps’ church, because, naturally, all the decent people who find him and his website revolting have long since voted with their feet and are down the street with the heathen Presbyterians…

I’d recommend reading http://www.godhatesfundies.com/misc/ath/
Reveals the sordid history of Pastor Phelps. The church is pretty much an in-family thing…

On Friedo’s website (www.godhatesfundies.com) there’s a history of that church and mentions how bigoted and evil the people are. Many members of the family have since quit that church because they don’t like their patriarch and his ideas.

First off, I am a lover of all people. Individuals should do what makes them happy–whatever it may be–so long as it does not affect others adversely.

Second, I believe in the full rights of Gay men and Women.
I know I’m risking criticism but…

There is NO proof (yet) that proves homosexuality is an irreversible trait, and as such allows Gay men and Women to state simply “that’s the way I’ve always been.”

No proof to the contrary either.

We still do not know if it is a physical (chemical) or mental trait. Or a combination of both.

It is possible that Gay men and Women are, simply, Gay men and Women. They were born that way.

It is also possible that Gay men and Women have chosen their lifestyle. That, of course, is perfectly fine and should be encouraged if that is the case.

It is also possible that it is a mental sickness. I’m sorry but it is possible. There may have been emotional circumstances in one’s life (very early or late) that could have directed an individual to BECOME homosexual.

Reasons for this may be coping with, I don’t know, rejection, rape and molestation; or maybe thoughts of self-inadequacy (when interacting with a member of the opposite sex)

Perhaps all of these are true in varying combinations.

But…

Is homosexuality wrong? No!
Is it a sin? Certainly not!
Is that ignorant poster a friggin’ goof? Yes!
I apologize if I’ve offended anyone, I am only searching for the truth. Feel free to tear me apart if you feel it’s necessary. Please be scholarly.

Hi stifferd,

You made a series of statements. Please note that you didn’t ask any questions. You made statements. Can you substantiate them? Do you feel that you’re an expert on this subject? Are you aware that a lot of scientific research has been done on these very subjects? Are you aware that the American Psychological Association has taken positions on most of these issues, with plenty of scientific research to back up its positions?

Just one small example.

It depends on what you mean by “proof. “ There’s a mountain of scientific evidence that homosexuality is irreversible, and little or no proof to the contrary. Even “reparation therapy” groups (the guys who claim to be able to “cure” homosexuality) admit that all they can do is help a willing homosexual “function” as a heterosexual (i.e., become capable of sexual relations with the opposite sex). But the homosexual will still continue to have homosexual desires–nothing can be done about that. The “reparation therapy” groups admit this.

At this point in time, it’s pretty much accepted as an axiom by anyone who cares anything about the subject that homosexuality is not reversible in any true, meaningful sense of the word. The only people claiming that homosexuality is truly reversible are hard-core homophobes.

So what’s your story, stifferd? What’s your basis for implying that homosexuality might in fact be reversible? Are you just ignorant of all the research on the subject, or are you aware of that research but deliberately ignoring it?

And so it goes with the rest of your post. Much of what you said is out of line with current scientific research.

If you’re just ignorant of the research, then why are you making statements? Why not ask about all the issues you raised?

If you’re really “searching for the truth,” why don’t you take the first step and do some reading on the subject? Search up Esprix’s “Ask the Gay Guy” message threads on this message board and read through them. Use the search function on the Straight Dope Message Board to search up other threads on the subject. Go to the American Psychological Association’s web site and read up on what they have to say about homosexuality. Go to the gay and lesbian issues portion of your bookstore and pick up some books on the subject.

I sympathize with what you said about homosexuality not being wrong or a sin. But much of what you stated elsewhere in your post was, in fact, incorrect in one manner or another. As such, I’m curious what basis you had for posting all those statements. I’m not pissed at you and I’m not trying to stop you from posting. I’m not assuming that you’re hostile to gays and lesbians, and I’m not feeling hostile toward you in any way. In fact, as a pro-gay-rights poster myself, I would welcome a live-and-let-live ally like you.

Mainly I’m just curious. Are you just in the habit of posting personal opinion as fact, or do you really think you have a solid, factual basis for everything you posted?

Oops. A quick correction to my last post. I said:

I meant to say:

It depends on what you mean by “proof." There’s a mountain of scientific evidence that homosexuality is irreversible, and little or no evidence to the contrary.


By the way, my point in making this statement is that evidence of something can be overwhelming on one side of a debate, but partisans on the other side of the debate will insist that they will only accept “proof,” and it’s not “proof” until it’s a nice little package that they can hold in their hand.

Some debates will never be ultimately be “proved” one way or the other. But that doesn’t mean that it’s okay to ignore the mountain of evidence on one side of the debate.

One thing that cracked me up about Phelps’s website is that he was talking about different churches, and how they are about homosexuality.

On the Catholic church, he said, “practicing homosexuals cannot become clergy members.” A big D’UH!!! Practicing HETEROsexuals cannot become clergy members either (if you mean priests and the like.) So that point was kind of stupid.
In the Catholic church, the priests and all that are CELIBATE!!!

Homosexuals and women can’t be clegy, but child molesters can. That is sick.

Firstly, that’s not entirely true.

Secondly, these people don’t actually listen to the Word of God. They just interpreet it as they see fit.

I would hope that if a church finds out someone is a child molestor, they wouldn’t allow it.

Personally, if he’s not a PRACTICING homosexual, but a celibate one, how can they refuse? It’d be the same as celibate heterosexual, wouldn’t it?

Bisexual? Polyamorous? :wink:

The American Psychological Association disagrees with you (and after 35 years of research into homosexuality, I’m inclined to accept them as an authority on the subject):

They disagree with you there, too:

Not only do the experiences of gay men and lesbians contradict the “it’s a choice” theory (it ain’t), but, again, the APA disagrees:

Gotcha on that one, too:

No, not really.

On these points, we can agree.

I hope I was adequately so.

Esprix

Hey, Duck, you know what I love about this story that seems to get missed all the time? Paul said that the woman was deceived and committed sin and then led Adam into sin. To me, that means that, yes, Eve was deceived, hoodwinked, etc, but Adam MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION. :smiley:

Just an alternate viewpoint.

BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, but that was a good one. Trust me, the Catholic church would rather PAY OFF families than get rid of a priest. My childhood priest molested over 10 boys in our parish. He’s now serving on the marriage tribunal. (And the priest after him fucked a woman and broke up her marriage. No wonder I hate the church so much.)

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Yes, and I personally believe more priests are gay than not for that reason. To the best of my knowlege, the Catholic church will not refuse a celibate homosexual from becoming a priest. However, I could be wrong. :slight_smile:

Sorry Guys and Gals.

I fucked up.

First of all, I never really meant to imply that homosexuality was an illness. For that I apologize.

Most of my statements (which, after reading my post, I found WERE presented as being fact and not simply as my opinion)had been based on personal experience.

I had a friend years ago (in highschool) who was struggling with his identity, sexuality, etc. He was unsure about who he was (and what he preffered) and, for lack of a better explanation, went through a homosexual “phase”

The last time I spoke with him he had a girlfriend.

This is what still confuses me.
I know now, that (if I was unsure about something) I should have asked first, rather than blurted out what I did.

But I’m a young punk and I think I know everything.

So there.

Anyway, I’ve read up on the issue and, admittedly, I knew alot less than I thought I did. And there are still alot of questions.

But that’s another thread…

Oh yeah, and concerning the OP: that guy is still a

                      PRICK

I have the poster in question (on my other MB) PBed so I do not see anything by him. He hasn’t posted in a while anyway.

What finally got me was him using the rationale that a poster was female to explain (to himself) a comment she made that as far as a lot of us could see had less than nothing to do with gender.

Hell, she might as well have been talking about the sun setting.

Good post, stifferd. Thanks for addressing the points that I raised in my own post. I understand much better where you were coming from now. No harm done and no bad feelings on anyone’s part, I hope.

If you want to inquire further about cases like your high school friend, try posting about it in Esprix’s “Ask the Gay Guy III!” message thread. Just click on the link in Esprix’s signature line, a little higher on this page. Quite likely the posters in that thread can give you some additional insights into cases like that.

I look forward to seeing more of your posts around the message board. Welcome to the SDMB! All the best!