Why is it not ok? I mean I wouldn’t be interested in reading erotic elderly rape fiction myself, but I’m unclear on why someone writing it or someone reading it causes harm to anyone?
There is a whole genre of horror movie that has recently become popular and mainstream called torture porn, where the whole point just seems to be showing crap so distasteful it makes you want to look away. I dislike these films because I don’t enjoy them and find them devoid of plot, but I don’t think they are not ok or cause harm.
If – IF – if what someone publishes about ANY subject matter constitutes incitation as defined by the Law and shown by the evidence in their particular case, hold them responsible. By all means.
But I find it hard to say the OP’s MLP porn, as described, should be said to be in spitting distance, hell, even in the same Postal Code as “the line”. C’mon, it’s derivative porn about a silly cartoon. If someone writes fanfic about Fluttershy and Pinkietail or whatever they’re called getting it on either in their pony form or anthropomorphized or even MarySues him/herself into the universe… big deal.
That that the subject matter by itself makes some material *per se *be “recognized as predatory ideations” is not as well established as some think. I stopped watching Hannibal after a scene that left me a mess for the rest of the night and next day and that’s commercial broadcast TV (ok, American TV: someone can get their eyes gouged out in prime time but Og help us from seeing a loose tit; real healthy, dudes). But that does not mean their writers need to be placed under watch. Just that on this night they were beyond my squick zone.
I know that’s addressed to grude, but at the same time, your first post in this last sequence was a reply to mine, and if you notice that first post I write:
IOW referring to setting/scenario/universe, not to specific acts depicted. Myself and others as mentioned do not see MLP fic as intrinsecally pedophillic save for the association to how it’s supposed to be a “children’s show”, unless a fic in fact contains pedophillic scenes (and ditto for rape/violence/etc. scenes).
But of course there’s a line of acceptability each one of us draws as individuals, that’s a given.
Why must we always think of the children? What have they ever done for us?
MLP porn is easily obtained, just unfilter image search any of the Mane 6 and you’ll have a percentage of them in furry porn, human versions, and human porn versions. It literally takes 5 seconds to find. But so what? The kids can stick to watching the stuff on TV and buying official Hasbro merchandise. I’m less worried about kids accidentally coming into contact with porn than I am worried that adults can’t freely express themselves. If its a choice between protecting the kids and letting adults do what they want, I am firmly with the latter group
I don’t think its a “problem” that adults sexualize children’s fiction therefore I don’t believe we should try to find a solution for it. I don’t find porn to be harmful, maybe gross, so if a kid accidentally sees something, just laugh it off and tell him to quit it.
This mindset sounds selfish. It also runs into conflict with safe spaces. Obviously to you, your freedom to consume porn is more important than the potential risks it might impose on others. Don’t try to use censorship to obscure the issue- it is selfishness plain and simple. Many of the creators and fans of this type of media lack a filter about what they do, but get defensive when people point out the obvious.
Kids get more and more sexualized, and there is a wealth of porn of shows targeted to kids. Awfully coincidental! It would be interesting to see how many of these writers are registered sex offenders. I know if someone I knew wrote this kind of stuff I would be sure to keep them away from children, because I can’t think of a better way for some creepy uncle to groom his 4 year old niece than to use My Little Pony.
Budget Player Cadet, I’m sure it gives you a warm throbbing feeling reading all the people that sound like they are defending you through either their indifference or their pedantic examination of bestiality and child pornography. I strongly suspect that was the purpose of your initial post.
Personally I find what you write to be disturbing. Something else to consider is blowback from being so candid about this kind of thing. As others stated about privacy, you have to think about who might know this aspect of your life both online and on real life. While you probably have peers that don’t care, what if knowing you write erotic pony fanfiction affected the relationship of people you depended on, liked, And who previously respected you?
Maybe it is a bit selfish, but its on the part of those adults, not me since I don’t partake of that particular subgroup. I don’t think that just because something’s selfish, its necessarily wrong. I’m willing to bet that MLP’s shelf life was extended because of all the adult fans. Certainly Hasbro is making a lot of money catering a bit to adults because we have the money to buy all the stuff they make.
Since I don’t consider porn to be unsafe, the part about safe spaces is irrelevant to me. And I would disagree that such porn made from children’s fiction is targeted towards them. I think such porn was made for the adults and children see it merely as a result of it existing, not because it was targeted towards kids.
YogSosoth, I want you to consider something. What kind or porn to masturbate to?
Sure, that’s an uncomfortable question, and you don’t need to answer me, but think about it. What kind of person masturbates to porn when it even peripherally involves children? Is that you?
Good Lord, I hope not.
Yeah, sure, porn doesn’t necessarily involve masturbation, but c’mon. That’s almost it’s point for existing.
The key thing to ask yourself is, “Does it/will it bother me to be identified as a love of this thing?”
Never be ashamed of something you love. If people make fun of something you love, they’re not people you need in your life.
I’m sorry to say that this is something that I find kinda weird, so I’m not the guy to discuss this love of yours, but who gives a shit about me? Be happy, write your weird fanfic until the cows cum.
No. Just fucking no. There is an undercurrent in this thread arguing that every sexual thought is permissible. That’s bad.
If what you “love” is child pornography then Hell yes you need to be ashamed of it. I have said numerous times that I don’t think Budget quite crosses that line, but I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, the argument that if somebody loves it, it’s cool.
How about “if somebody loves it and no actual humans or animals are exploited/harmed/otherwise inconvenienced, it’s cool”?
I don’t like porn. I don’t read/view it. I’ve tried to read some of these fanfic stories (usually because they’re linked off a “Cracked” article) and I just shake my head and think they’re pretty stupid.
But that doesn’t give me the right to say that somebody else doesn’t have the right to view it, or to tell them how they’re supposed to think. I agree that being sexually excited by children is sick. But these are cartoon character ponies. It doesn’t matter if the property is aimed at children. Mickey Mouse is aimed at children too, but those racy comic books featuring Mickey go back practically to when he was invented.
Thought policing is dangerous, and sets a dangerous precedent. Do I have a right to tell someone not to be aroused by Betty Boop, or Thomas the Tank Engine, or a Dalek, just because I’m not? Do they have the right to tell me I can’t be aroused by something, because they find it distasteful? Who gets to make those decisions? Are we always at the mercy of the most prudish among us, or the person with the most hang-ups, or whatever won’t upset the sensibilities of a 6-year-old?
In a concrete sense, I can see the reasoning for this. But in a philosophical sense, it’s not a road I want our society to start down (or rather, go down any further than they already have).
But that’s a serious question: is it really child pornography if no actual children are harmed, or even involved?
Are X-rated fanfic stories about fictional, cartoon ponies “child pornography”?
I’m not arguing for kiddie porn either. Far from it. I’m just saying that you don’t get to define kiddie porn as any adult material involving anything related to children. That’s just too broad.
If the pornography involves depictions of images “indistinguishable” from real children. Not drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings.
Again, I’m not defending child pornography at all. But there’s a big difference from a computer-generated image of something that isn’t a real child but appears to be, and a cartoon drawing of (or a story about) a pony, underaged or otherwise.
I’ve of the mind that if someone gets their rocks of on something forbidden, they are less likely to do that forbidden thing. I’m ok with people masturbating to porn of children’s fiction, since its fake people. There is probably a small contingent where partaking in such a forbidden fruit makes them want to go out and try it even more, but I think that’s a tiny percentage and it helps more than it hurts
